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Old 06-23-2018, 02:34 PM   #1
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This is deceptive and disingenuous.
Would prefer I posted his quotes, with dates times and places? Of course you could always look 'em up yourself. But you might have to look in different places than Fox.
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Old 06-23-2018, 04:02 PM   #2
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Would prefer I posted his quotes, with dates times and places? Of course you could always look 'em up yourself. But you might have to look in different places than Fox.
I looked them all up. Trump only called the murdering members of the MS-13 gang "animals."

The deceptive Press takes statements out of context to serve their agenda.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that you can not understand this.

Like UntoHim says, "You're better than that."

Like TC used to say, "Try not to misunderstand me."

Like others have said, "Trump Derangement Syndrome has blinded you."
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Reuters ‘Fake News’ Spins Pope Against Trump

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In one of the most egregious cases of journalistic deception in recent memory, Reuters has spun Pope Francis to literally say the opposite of what he said regarding President Trump and immigration.

Veteran pope-spinner Phil Pullella, who famously lured Francis into calling Trump a non-Christian in 2016, was back to his old tricks, trying futilely to get the pope to criticize the U.S. president. Having failed to do so, Reuters simply went with the story anyway, carefully selecting which papal quotations to insert in the story and which to omit to back up their pre-conceived narrative.

"If you don't read the news, you are uninformed.

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Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in the news." -- Mark Twain
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Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in the news." -- Mark Twain
It's a sad state of affairs. Once I catch someone in a lie I don't trust them any more. And Twain obviously wasn't aware of modern day advertising.
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Old 06-23-2018, 10:27 PM   #5
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Is fiscal conservatism dead? Republicans railed against the national debt level under the Obama administration, when it jumped from $10.6 trillion to $19.9 trillion, nearly doubling, but few have been as outspoken about the situation with Republicans controlling Capitol Hill and the White House.

About a year ago, President Trump pledged to eliminate the national debt "over a period of eight years." But for the first time in history, the national debt surpassed $21 trillion this week, according to the U.S. Treasury.

The landmark comes shortly after Congress passed, and Mr. Trump signed, a suspension on the federal debt limit last month, allowing the government to borrow an unlimited amount of money until March 1, 2019.

When Mr. Trump took office on Jan. 20, 2017, the national debt was $19.9 trillion, according to U.S. Treasury data. Since then, the GOP-led Congress has passed a $1.5 trillion tax cut bill and a two-year spending deal which, together, are expected to drive the deficit and debt further upward. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates annual deficits could top $2.1 trillion per year in the next decade, which would send the national debt soaring even higher.

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kentucky, held up the spending bill last month on the Senate floor, blistering Republicans for doing exactly what they had criticized the Obama administration for doing.

"I ran for office because I was critical of President Obama's trillion-dollar deficits," Paul said at the time. "Now we have Republicans hand-in-hand with Democrats offering us trillion-dollar deficits." Source: ABC News
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Old 06-24-2018, 04:15 AM   #6
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Is fiscal conservatism dead? Republicans railed against the national debt level under the Obama administration, when it jumped from $10.6 trillion to $19.9 trillion, nearly doubling, but few have been as outspoken about the situation with Republicans controlling Capitol Hill and the White House.

About a year ago, President Trump pledged to eliminate the national debt "over a period of eight years." But for the first time in history, the national debt surpassed $21 trillion this week, according to the U.S. Treasury.

The landmark comes shortly after Congress passed, and Mr. Trump signed, a suspension on the federal debt limit last month, allowing the government to borrow an unlimited amount of money until March 1, 2019.

When Mr. Trump took office on Jan. 20, 2017, the national debt was $19.9 trillion, according to U.S. Treasury data. Since then, the GOP-led Congress has passed a $1.5 trillion tax cut bill and a two-year spending deal which, together, are expected to drive the deficit and debt further upward. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates annual deficits could top $2.1 trillion per year in the next decade, which would send the national debt soaring even higher.

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kentucky, held up the spending bill last month on the Senate floor, blistering Republicans for doing exactly what they had criticized the Obama administration for doing.

"I ran for office because I was critical of President Obama's trillion-dollar deficits," Paul said at the time. "Now we have Republicans hand-in-hand with Democrats offering us trillion-dollar deficits." Source: ABC News
Trump just talks a good game ... that's become obvious. "Better, cheaper, insurance for everyone."
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Trump just talks a good game ... that's become obvious. "Better, cheaper, insurance for everyone."
But he would do better if he just read off the teleprompter like Obama?
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Is fiscal conservatism dead? Republicans railed against the national debt level under the Obama administration, when it jumped from $10.6 trillion to $19.9 trillion, nearly doubling, but few have been as outspoken about the situation with Republicans controlling Capitol Hill and the White House.

About a year ago, President Trump pledged to eliminate the national debt "over a period of eight years." But for the first time in history, the national debt surpassed $21 trillion this week, according to the U.S. Treasury.

The landmark comes shortly after Congress passed, and Mr. Trump signed, a suspension on the federal debt limit last month, allowing the government to borrow an unlimited amount of money until March 1, 2019.

When Mr. Trump took office on Jan. 20, 2017, the national debt was $19.9 trillion, according to U.S. Treasury data. Since then, the GOP-led Congress has passed a $1.5 trillion tax cut bill and a two-year spending deal which, together, are expected to drive the deficit and debt further upward. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates annual deficits could top $2.1 trillion per year in the next decade, which would send the national debt soaring even higher.

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kentucky, held up the spending bill last month on the Senate floor, blistering Republicans for doing exactly what they had criticized the Obama administration for doing.

"I ran for office because I was critical of President Obama's trillion-dollar deficits," Paul said at the time. "Now we have Republicans hand-in-hand with Democrats offering us trillion-dollar deficits." Source: ABC News
The Republican Party is much more diverse and inclusive than the Democratic/Socialist Party of Schumer and Pelosi, as evidenced by fiscal policy you mentioned and immigration policy.
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The Republican Party is much more diverse . . .
And no longer the party of Reagan ... the republican party is now the party of Trump ... who has never held to republican values. Trump killed that republican party. R.I.P.
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It's a sad state of affairs. Once I catch someone in a lie I don't trust them any more. And Twain obviously wasn't aware of modern day advertising.
The others you just haven't caught yet!

"Let God be true, and every man a liar!" -- Romans 3.4

"All men are liars." -- Psalm 116.11
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"All men are liars." -- Psalm 116.11
This is certainly true of this immigration debate. I heard one woman say that you are not permitted to ask if Trump's policy is effective at reducing phony claims of asylum.

Apparently it is permitted for people to lie about asylum, it is permitted for them to also bring a child knowing that the law prohibits us from detaining a child for more than 20 days. But the US government is not permitted in establishing a policy that exposes the liars.
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This is certainly true of this immigration debate. I heard one woman say that you are not permitted to ask if Trump's policy is effective at reducing phony claims of asylum.

Apparently it is permitted for people to lie about asylum, it is permitted for them to also bring a child knowing that the law prohibits us from detaining a child for more than 20 days. But the US government is not permitted in establishing a policy that exposes the liars.
There are strong globalist forces in both Europe and the US to have completely open borders, yet the outspoken leaders of the Left will never admit this, so they manufacture this feigned injustice with children. If they truly cared for the most vulnerable of society, they would also protest the unending slaughter of the unborn, especially the unborn minority children.
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The others you just haven't caught yet!

"Let God be true, and every man a liar!" -- Romans 3.4
Paul isn't asserting that all men ARE liars, but rather that it would be better if they were considered so than to hold that God is untrue.

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"All men are liars." -- Psalm 116.11
Look at the context of that statement. The whole verse is
"I said in my haste, 'All men are liars'.”
By omitting the beginning of the verse, a word spoken in haste is made to seem like an objective statement of fact. The Psalmist admits he spoke rashly in a moment of affliction. [v.10]
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Paul isn't asserting that all men ARE liars, but rather that it would be better if they were considered so than to hold that God is untrue.

"All men are liars." -- Psalm 116.11

Look at the context of that statement. The whole verse is
"I said in my haste, 'All men are liars'.”
By omitting the beginning of the verse, a word spoken in haste is made to seem like an objective statement of fact. The Psalmist admits he spoke rashly in a moment of affliction.
When Paul quoted the Psalmist, he apparently did not seem to need it either.

The rest of the verse is quite appropriate for the forum, "That You should be justified in Your sayings and will overcome when You are judged." Rom 3.4

I have read too much "judgment" of God on Alt-Views, but Paul informs us God WILL be justified and overcome all of man's criticisms.
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