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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Consider those guys that were thrown out of Starbucks creating a huge uproar. They were not buying anything and they were asking to use the bathroom. No doubt Maxine Waters was screaming about their "rights" being violated.

Hypocrisy is off the hook.

The manager of that Starbucks was only following policy when she or he asked them to leave, but if they were not upsetting other customers, depriving them of the use of Starbucks seating and restrooms, why call the police? Did the two guys become belligerent when asked to leave?

Both Starbucks and Red Hen have seriously hurt themselves by escalating the situation. With every customer in the country carrying a video camera, there exists the potential for every mis-action to go virule.

The heated, exaggerated rhetoric is carefully crafted to demonize Trump and all conservatives. They are all characterized as EVIL personified. Hence all action is justified in order to stop them. For "decent" folks like Red Hen staff, this only means expulsion and subsequent shaming. What happens when the less scrupulous kind get involved? Perhaps during a benign congressional baseball game.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The manager of that Starbucks was only following policy when she or he asked them to leave, but if they were not upsetting other customers, depriving them of the use of Starbucks seating and restrooms, why call the police? Did the two guys become belligerent when asked to leave?

Since it was videotaped and there did not seem to be any belligerence at all on their part I would suggest the answer is most likely no.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Both Starbucks and Red Hen have seriously hurt themselves by escalating the situation. With every customer in the country carrying a video camera, there exists the potential for every mis-action to go virule.

Yes, smart phones have been revolutionary, fulfilling the Lord's word that "what you do in secret will be shouted from the rooftop". I suspect that much of what we are seeing today on the news as outrageous behavior took place before, we just didn't get to see it. As a result even though it seems things are getting worse I suspect the opposite is true.

Originally Posted by Ohio

The heated, exaggerated rhetoric is carefully crafted to demonize Trump and all conservatives. They are all characterized as EVIL personified. Hence all action is justified in order to stop them. For "decent" folks like Red Hen staff, this only means expulsion and subsequent shaming. What happens when the less scrupulous kind get involved? Perhaps during a benign congressional baseball game.

I just don't see how any of these events (Red Hen, Starbucks, the Mexican Restaurant, or Maxine Waters) is "crafted to demonize Trump". Nor do I think the reference to a terrorist attack is a constructive response. It sounds like a veiled threat.

Radio and TV have learned that the secret to ratings is controversy. They are no longer purveyors of truth, or news, but rather "controversy".

How do you protect the right to free speech while promoting the reasoned debate, factually accurate accounts, and speaking the truth in love?

In my opinion both sides of the current debate about immigration have valid points. However, they will be subsumed by the lies, distortion, and agenda of those on the extreme right and left.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I just don't see how any of these events (Red Hen, Starbucks, the Mexican Restaurant, or Maxine Waters) is "crafted to demonize Trump".

Demonize Trump "and conservatives" including his staff. Seriously?

Regardless of official "push back," Trump's opponents have been called on to harass all of his supporters. David Hogg was used in an attempt to remove Laura Ingraham from TV. Antifa has been organized on numerous universities to prevent conservative speakers like Coulter and Shapiro. Sarah Sanders was face-shamed at the WHCD. SNL regularly mocks Trump and staff.

My comment "crafted to demonize Trump" has specific objectives for the Left, from fear-mongering to humiliation to submission to departure. The level of hatred on both sides is being stoked in the Press. The next protest may lead to a serious confrontation. Then folks like Maxine will claim she "never did anything wrong."

Radio and TV have learned that the secret to ratings is controversy. They are no longer purveyors of truth, or news, but rather "controversy".

How do you protect the right to free speech while promoting the reasoned debate, factually accurate accounts, and speaking the truth in love?

Not so sure about this. CNN's ratings have continued to drop since they are perceived to be an "anti-Trump" network. Their news has been wrong so many times, it's not worth watching. Since they pay so many public venues (airports, hospitals, etc.) to air their station, I wonder how much worse their ratings would be. Often I don't see any correction to the errors they report, and it just accumulates over time, reducing their credibility. "Controversy" translated as Anti-Trumpism has clearly not helped their bottom line.

Real journalism is dying. I used to watch CNN, and they always seemed to have the best coverage of breaking news. About the time of the Boston Marathon Bombing that changed. They no longer held the competitive edge they once held. The difference was their new President Jeff Zucker. With the arrival of Trump, Zucker took merely skewed political opinion into political hate speech I see every time I watch.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I just don't see how any of these events (Red Hen, Starbucks, the Mexican Restaurant, or Maxine Waters) is "crafted to demonize Trump".

No one is needed to demonize the anti-Christ.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

No one is needed to demonize the anti-Christ.

Time Magazine (like you awareness) has been caught up in the web of deception, with the goal to destroy all of their "enemies" by demonizing them.

[Ohio]

If the LEFT did not have double standards, they would not have any standards at all.

Peter Fonda called for pedophiles to rape Trump's 12-year-old son. Democratic congresswoman Maxine Waters called for mob violence against conservatives and Republicans wherever they are seen in public. Kathy Griffin symbolically performed a bloody beheading of Trump. Snoop Dogg symbolically shot Trump in the head. Madonna expressed her desire to blow up the White House. Black Lives Matter told blacks to ambush and kill whites and police. The thread that ties these wacko big voices together is that they are members of the American left, enthusiastically encouraged by their homeys in fake news media. Yes, the American left is boldly calling for violence against all who disagree with its agenda.

Liberal Roseanne Barr, however, who stupidly called Valerie Jarrett a monkey, had her career destroyed over one Tweet. Kind of ironic since the LEFT has long convinced the public that we in fact did evolve from monkeys.

Obviously death threats, as long as they are directed at conservatives, are OK, but name-calling is not. Every night the Liberal comedians attack and mock all things conservative, but never mock a Liberal!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

If the LEFT did not have double standards, they would not have any standards at all.

Liberal Roseanne Barr, however, who stupidly called Valerie Jarrett a monkey, had her career destroyed over one Tweet. Kind of ironic since the LEFT has long convinced the public that we in fact did evolve from monkeys.

Obviously death threats, as long as they are directed at conservatives, are OK, but name-calling is not. Every night the Liberal comedians attack and mock all things conservative, but never mock a Liberal!

And Roseanne Barr typifies the right ; multiple personalities, and mental institutions.

Clowns to the right of me, jokers to the left.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Demonize Trump "and conservatives" including his staff. Seriously?

Regardless of official "push back," Trump's opponents have been called on to harass all of his supporters. David Hogg was used in an attempt to remove Laura Ingraham from TV. Antifa has been organized on numerous universities to prevent conservative speakers like Coulter and Shapiro. Sarah Sanders was face-shamed at the WHCD. SNL regularly mocks Trump and staff.

My comment "crafted to demonize Trump" has specific objectives for the Left, from fear-mongering to humiliation to submission to departure. The level of hatred on both sides is being stoked in the Press. The next protest may lead to a serious confrontation. Then folks like Maxine will claim she "never did anything wrong."

Yes, and you are not referring to the Red Hen event as being "crafted to demonize Trump" nor are you referring to the Starbucks event as being "crafted to demonize Trump", nor are you referring to the event at the Mexican restaurant nor are you referring to the video of Maxine Waters exhorting people to harass govt employees.

If you try and tie every single event into the effort of Trump's political opponents to "demonize him" then you come across as paranoid and delusional.

Seriously, do you really think there was coordination between the management at that tiny restaurant the Red Hen, or the Starbucks manager that called the cops with Political operatives? Likewise, do you really think the people eating that the Mexican restaurant were political hacks? Obviously Maxine Waters can be seen as part of the political apparatus to discredit Trump, but that particular event did not "demonize" Trump, it demonized her. Nor was it "crafted" it was idiotic.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

If you try and tie every single event into the effort of Trump's political opponents to "demonize him" then you come across as paranoid and delusional.

When it comes to politics Christians today skip over the sermon on the mount.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

When it comes to politics Christians today skip over the sermon on the mount.

Good example of gross exaggeration.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The manager of that Starbucks was only following policy when she or he asked them to leave, but if they were not upsetting other customers, depriving them of the use of Starbucks seating and restrooms, why call the police? Did the two guys become belligerent when asked to leave?

Both Starbucks and Red Hen have seriously hurt themselves by escalating the situation. With every customer in the country carrying a video camera, there exists the potential for every mis-action to go virule.

The heated, exaggerated rhetoric is carefully crafted to demonize Trump and all conservatives. They are all characterized as EVIL personified. Hence all action is justified in order to stop them. For "decent" folks like Red Hen staff, this only means expulsion and subsequent shaming. What happens when the less scrupulous kind get involved? Perhaps during a benign congressional baseball game.

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Yes, and you are not referring to the Red Hen event as being "crafted to demonize Trump" nor are you referring to the Starbucks event as being "crafted to demonize Trump", nor are you referring to the event at the Mexican restaurant nor are you referring to the video of Maxine Waters exhorting people to harass govt employees.

If you try and tie every single event into the effort of Trump's political opponents to "demonize him" then you come across as paranoid and delusional.

Seriously, do you really think there was coordination between the management at that tiny restaurant the Red Hen, or the Starbucks manager that called the cops with Political operatives? Likewise, do you really think the people eating that the Mexican restaurant were political hacks? Obviously Maxine Waters can be seen as part of the political apparatus to discredit Trump, but that particular event did not "demonize" Trump, it demonized her. Nor was it "crafted" it was idiotic.

Read my statement above. I'll quote it again:

The heated, exaggerated rhetoric is carefully crafted to demonize Trump and all conservatives.

Now go back and read your post quoted above and you will see another "fulfillment" of what I said. You twisted and distorted my words against me, taking them out of context in order to discredit me. But I'm not bothered, they did the same to Jesus. (Mark 14.55-58)

Back to the Point. The nasty events we are seeing every day in the news are not "crafted" per se, but are the result, the evil fruit, of a carefully crafted and exaggerated rhetoric designed to demonize Trump and all conservatives. This bad behavior can only get worse.

This pathetic rhetoric comes from the Democrats, some anti-Trump Republicans, the entire mainstream media, the Hollywood elites, and former deep state operatives, etc.

[zeek]

Trump is a model of incivility. He encouraged violence at his campaign rallies. He denigrated women about their looks. He mocked a disabled man. He belittled his political opponents and defamed their families. He bragged about groping and touching women. And he openly lies to the American public everyday. He has no standing from which to criticize people for incivility.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Trump is a model of incivility. He encouraged violence at his campaign rallies. He denigrated women about their looks. He mocked a disabled man. He belittled his political opponents and defamed their families. He bragged about groping and touching women. And he openly lies to the American public everyday. He has no standing from which to criticize people for incivility.

And, of course, we can blame all the bad behavior exhibited by liberal progressives on Trump too!


Just like we heard for 8 years all the bad behavior in the Obama administration blamed on Bush.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Back to the Point. The nasty events we are seeing every day in the news are not "crafted" per se, but are the result, the evil fruit, of a carefully crafted and exaggerated rhetoric designed to demonize Trump and all conservatives. This bad behavior can only get worse.

This pathetic rhetoric comes from the Democrats, some anti-Trump Republicans, the entire mainstream media, the Hollywood elites, and former deep state operatives, etc.

This latest news helps to prove my point about "carefully crafted and exaggerated rhetoric."

Poll: 72% of Americans Believe Establishment Media Deliberately Report Fake News

In layman's terms it can be called "fake news."

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Back to the Point. The nasty events we are seeing every day in the news are not "crafted" per se, but are the result, the evil fruit, of a carefully crafted and exaggerated rhetoric designed to demonize Trump and all conservatives. This bad behavior can only get worse.

This pathetic rhetoric comes from the Democrats, some anti-Trump Republicans, the entire mainstream media, the Hollywood elites, and former deep state operatives, etc.

Yes, but the media attacked Nixon, they attacked Clinton, they attacked Reagan, they attacked Bush, they attacked Obama. Why are people so surprised like it is a new thing. This is politics. Whoever is in power will be attacked, discredited, slandered. All with the hope that the other party will make gains in the next election.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Yes, but the media attacked Nixon, they attacked Clinton, they attacked Reagan, they attacked Bush, they attacked Obama. Why are people so surprised like it is a new thing. This is politics. Whoever is in power will be attacked, discredited, slandered. All with the hope that the other party will make gains in the next election.

Hear! Hear! Amen!