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Old 06-27-2018, 08:27 PM   #1
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Funny to hear liberal progressives to talk about "the truth."
There you go with your Saul Alinsky tactics.
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There you go with your Saul Alinsky tactics.
Looks like your side had a bad day today. They're all so angry.
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'God is racist,' Jewish people 'all descend from Satan,' NC candidate says

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Old 06-28-2018, 11:26 AM   #4
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Looks like your side had a bad day today. They're all so angry.
It depends where you look. But, yeah. Unemployment numbers are down now. But, there's a difference between long term and short term, and some of those changes in the numbers are short term, but some of the problems that we have are long term.

The costs of housing, child care, health care and college are outpacing salaries and threatening the livelihoods of middle class Americans. Middle class life is now 30 percent more expensive than it was 20 years ago. https://www.marketplace.org/2016/06/...t-more-it-used

And we're looking at a record amount of automation of formerly middle-class jobs by 2026, if the World Economic Forum is to be believed. That's one of the threats that is not being accounted for. The future looks bleak for most of today's children.

How many of the people whose job picture looks rosier are working multiple jobs and how much job security do those jobs have? From what I hear, many of the newly employed don't have pensions or any kind of future career trajectory from those jobs.

As long as the big picture in America looks like this you're gonna have a lot of unhappy frustrated people struggling to make ends meet regardless of their political party affiliations.
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It depends where you look. But, yeah. Unemployment numbers are down now. But, there's a difference between long term and short term, and some of those changes in the numbers are short term, but some of the problems that we have are long term.

The costs of housing, child care, health care and college are outpacing salaries and threatening the livelihoods of middle class Americans. Middle class life is now 30 percent more expensive than it was 20 years ago. https://www.marketplace.org/2016/06/...t-more-it-used

And we're looking at a record amount of automation of formerly middle-class jobs by 2026, if the World Economic Forum is to be believed. That's one of the threats that is not being accounted for. The future looks bleak for most of today's children.

How many of the people whose job picture looks rosier are working multiple jobs and how much job security do those jobs have? From what I hear, many of the newly employed don't have pensions or any kind of future career trajectory from those jobs.

As long as the big picture in America looks like this you're gonna have a lot of unhappy frustrated people struggling to make ends meet regardless of their political party affiliations.
http://www.mybudget360.com/wp-conten...ving-chart.jpg

However in 1975 about 45% of women were in the workforce, today it is 60%. So although the cost of a house has increased slightly, and median wage has decreased slightly taking into account inflation, it is important to also factor in the effect of doubling the wage earners in a middle class family.

Over the last 70 years the US GDP has averaged a growth rate of slightly more than 3%.

So in reality the economic outlook for a middle class family with two wage earners is significantly better than it was 50 years ago when they only had 1.

Also, it is true that cars appear to be much more expensive today than they were in 1975 when adjusting for inflation. However, they are also much safer and they last much longer. A car that ran for 100,000 miles in 1975 was a big thing, but that is no longer true. Today 200,000 miles is realistic if you care for your car. There are 11 cars that have not had a single fatality since 2014, that is an amazing improvement over 50-60 years ago when deaths during the Vietnam war were dwarfed by traffic fatalities.

Computers, the internet and robots have played a major role in keeping our GDP growing. It is very likely that AI, Quantum computers, drones and self driving vehicles will continue to propel that growth.

Also, although these new technologies take away jobs, they also open them up. Consider how many handicapped people can be productively employed today versus 50 or 100 years ago.

50 years ago the biggest threat to our economy was the trade deficit due to our dependence on oil. Today it is reasonable to think that the US could ultimately become energy self sufficient.

When NAFTA was approved we lost many jobs to cheap labor overseas. Today we can replace that cheap labor with 3d printers and robots.

So the only real issue with our economic outlook is that we are going to change and can expect dramatic changes to take place.
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However in 1975 about 45% of women were in the workforce, today it is 60%. So although the cost of a house has increased slightly, and median wage has decreased slightly taking into account inflation, it is important to also factor in the effect of doubling the wage earners in a middle class family.

Over the last 70 years the US GDP has averaged a growth rate of slightly more than 3%.

So in reality the economic outlook for a middle class family with two wage earners is significantly better than it was 50 years ago when they only had 1.

Also, it is true that cars appear to be much more expensive today than they were in 1975 when adjusting for inflation. However, they are also much safer and they last much longer. A car that ran for 100,000 miles in 1975 was a big thing, but that is no longer true. Today 200,000 miles is realistic if you care for your car. There are 11 cars that have not had a single fatality since 2014, that is an amazing improvement over 50-60 years ago when deaths during the Vietnam war were dwarfed by traffic fatalities.

Computers, the internet and robots have played a major role in keeping our GDP growing. It is very likely that AI, Quantum computers, drones and self driving vehicles will continue to propel that growth.

Also, although these new technologies take away jobs, they also open them up. Consider how many handicapped people can be productively employed today versus 50 or 100 years ago.

50 years ago the biggest threat to our economy was the trade deficit due to our dependence on oil. Today it is reasonable to think that the US could ultimately become energy self sufficient.

When NAFTA was approved we lost many jobs to cheap labor overseas. Today we can replace that cheap labor with 3d printers and robots.

So the only real issue with our economic outlook is that we are going to change and can expect dramatic changes to take place.
What people forget is that it is not a 1:1 relationship between jobs lost because of technology and new jobs created. One robot might replace 10 factory workers but only 1 new job created to monitor the robot. So there are 9 people left with nothing to do. This is made worse by the fact that the world's population is increasing. So in the future there could be robots doing everything and a huge population with nothing much to do. Only a fraction of those people will be needed to work in the technology, as robots will eventually be able to maintain or even re-create themselves. The basic income for everyone is coming, and the humans will be slave to the robot masters. People think of the robots as the slaves but it is the other way around. Because people are dependent on the robots, the robots become their master.
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What people forget is that it is not a 1:1 relationship between jobs lost because of technology and new jobs created. One robot might replace 10 factory workers but only 1 new job created to monitor the robot. So there are 9 people left with nothing to do. This is made worse by the fact that the world's population is increasing. So in the future there could be robots doing everything and a huge population with nothing much to do. Only a fraction of those people will be needed to work in the technology, as robots will eventually be able to maintain or even re-create themselves. The basic income for everyone is coming, and the humans will be slave to the robot masters. People think of the robots as the slaves but it is the other way around. Because people are dependent on the robots, the robots become their master.
You can't look at this through a microscope. 100 years ago we had many jobs which are completely gone. Blacksmith is one example. The milkman used to deliver milk to your house, gone. Toll booth operator -- gone. Butler, Valet, Ladies maid, etc. But when we had blacksmiths we didn't have auto mechanics. Jobs are replaced when we become more efficient, being more efficient is good for everyone.

Yes, AI will replace many existing jobs, but at the same time there will be a huge demand for people to program the AI and design the objects that will be running AI. You have to be a lifelong learner and embrace change.
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You can't look at this through a microscope. 100 years ago we had many jobs which are completely gone. Blacksmith is one example. The milkman used to deliver milk to your house, gone. Toll booth operator -- gone. Butler, Valet, Ladies maid, etc. But when we had blacksmiths we didn't have auto mechanics. Jobs are replaced when we become more efficient, being more efficient is good for everyone.

Yes, AI will replace many existing jobs, but at the same time there will be a huge demand for people to program the AI and design the objects that will be running AI. You have to be a lifelong learner and embrace change.
Even so, you don't need one AI programmer for every robot. A few programmers can write software for millions of robots.

Eventually the AI will be able to program itself. It's unrealistic to expect everyone to become an auto mechanic and it's unrealistic to expect everyone to become an AI programmer.

There's a good reason why governments are considering a basic income, because they know there will be lots of people without anything to do.
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However in 1975 about 45% of women were in the workforce, today it is 60%. So although the cost of a house has increased slightly, and median wage has decreased slightly taking into account inflation, it is important to also factor in the effect of doubling the wage earners in a middle class family.

Over the last 70 years the US GDP has averaged a growth rate of slightly more than 3%.

So in reality the economic outlook for a middle class family with two wage earners is significantly better than it was 50 years ago when they only had 1.

Also, it is true that cars appear to be much more expensive today than they were in 1975 when adjusting for inflation. However, they are also much safer and they last much longer. A car that ran for 100,000 miles in 1975 was a big thing, but that is no longer true. Today 200,000 miles is realistic if you care for your car. There are 11 cars that have not had a single fatality since 2014, that is an amazing improvement over 50-60 years ago when deaths during the Vietnam war were dwarfed by traffic fatalities.

Computers, the internet and robots have played a major role in keeping our GDP growing. It is very likely that AI, Quantum computers, drones and self driving vehicles will continue to propel that growth.

Also, although these new technologies take away jobs, they also open them up. Consider how many handicapped people can be productively employed today versus 50 or 100 years ago.

50 years ago the biggest threat to our economy was the trade deficit due to our dependence on oil. Today it is reasonable to think that the US could ultimately become energy self sufficient.

When NAFTA was approved we lost many jobs to cheap labor overseas. Today we can replace that cheap labor with 3d printers and robots.

So the only real issue with our economic outlook is that we are going to change and can expect dramatic changes to take place.
Expenses that have gone up starts with housing and the cost of real estate, of homeownership. And then, it continues on with health care, which is, as you know, astronomical and then schooling. A public university cost double what it did in 1996. And that's not a fancy private school. So I think that's kind of very telling, and a lot of the people are weighted down by educational debt. If we think about what it means to be a professional, it often means having, at least college and then potentially graduate school. So a lot of professionals are struggling to pay off six figure college loans.

Surveys show that women with children make less money. It's probably due to employe prejudice that they're going to be less productive. We have such limited maternity leave compared to most industrialized countries. Only 13 to 14% of Americans have paid family leave in their jobs, so that's very small. Employers feel like, oh, once I hire somebody who has a kid, this is going to be a cascade of latenesses and absences - things that are really often untrue and just bias. Yet there was a Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis survey that found moms were more productive in their jobs than women without children.

And right now, two-thirds of women with kids under 6 are working. So that is a huge number. And those are kids who are often too young to be in kindergarten or even preschool. So that means that they're going to be needing day care. Of course the average cost varies from state to state. The Economic Policy Institute said the annual average cost of infant care in New York state is $14,000. So a New York family with one child pays 21 percent of their income on child care on average, and for two kids, that rises to 38.7 percent.
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Expenses that have gone up starts with housing and the cost of real estate, of homeownership. And then, it continues on with health care, which is, as you know, astronomical and then schooling. A public university cost double what it did in 1996. And that's not a fancy private school. So I think that's kind of very telling, and a lot of the people are weighted down by educational debt. If we think about what it means to be a professional, it often means having, at least college and then potentially graduate school. So a lot of professionals are struggling to pay off six figure college loans.

Surveys show that women with children make less money. It's probably due to employe prejudice that they're going to be less productive. We have such limited maternity leave compared to most industrialized countries. Only 13 to 14% of Americans have paid family leave in their jobs, so that's very small. Employers feel like, oh, once I hire somebody who has a kid, this is going to be a cascade of latenesses and absences - things that are really often untrue and just bias. Yet there was a Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis survey that found moms were more productive in their jobs than women without children.

And right now, two-thirds of women with kids under 6 are working. So that is a huge number. And those are kids who are often too young to be in kindergarten or even preschool. So that means that they're going to be needing day care. Of course the average cost varies from state to state. The Economic Policy Institute said the annual average cost of infant care in New York state is $14,000. So a New York family with one child pays 21 percent of their income on child care on average, and for two kids, that rises to 38.7 percent.
We had all of these issues in 1975, you haven't demonstrated that the economy is worse now than it was then.

Any reasonable person would agree that the life of the Average American is greatly improved from 200 years ago, and from 100 years ago. As the time frame gets shorter it is more difficult to see the drastic improvements. But there is plenty of evidence. My brother has a 1953 chevy pickup in excellent condition. No seat belts, no air bags, no side mirrors, and it is far less efficient.
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We had all of these issues in 1975, you haven't demonstrated that the economy is worse now than it was then.
By that reckoning the lot of the average American hasn't improved in 43 years. It's a perfect time for a huge tax cut for billionaires and cuts to safety net programs, Social Security and Medicare.
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Looks like your side had a bad day today. They're all so angry.
Imagine how they'll act if Ruth Bader Ginsburg retires. Isn't she 85?
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Imagine how they'll act if Ruth Bader Ginsburg retires. Isn't she 85?
I would then call it a slow moving coup.
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I would then call it a slow moving coup.
We are talking about 9 Supreme court justices, I think slow moving limo would be more appropriate. No way they all fit into a coup.
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I would then call it a slow moving coup.
The slow moving coup, orchestrated by the Deep State, is beginning to unravel.


But don't worry about the SCOTUS. There has only been ONE SC justice in history who did NOT become more liberal over time. Any idea who that was?
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Imagine how they'll act if Ruth Bader Ginsburg retires. Isn't she 85?
If Trump replaced RBG with a solid conservative, he would be considered one of the greatest Presidents of all time. RBG is the worst Justice ever.
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