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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Here's how a sensible president deals with Putin :

President Obama got caught in private conversation with a hot mic today in Seoul, South Korea, telling outgoing Russian president Dmitry Medvedev that Vladimir Putin should give him more "space" and that "[a]fter my election I have more flexibility."

Here is the exchange caught on a "hot" mike:

President Obama: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space."
President Medvedev: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…"
President Obama: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."
President Medvedev: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir [Putin], and I stand with you."

[Ohio]

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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Here is the exchange caught on a "hot" mike:

President Obama: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space."
President Medvedev: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…"
President Obama: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."
President Medvedev: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir [Putin], and I stand with you."

Personally I don't see why all the indignation over Trump saying that when he said "would" he really meant "would not". I think it is great.

Perhaps the American voters would like to clarify what they really meant when they voted in 2016? Maybe Melania misspoke when she said "I do". This opportunity to take back what we said yesterday but now realize was a mistake today, that could be Trump's greatest legacy.

[Evangelical]

I just think he's out of his depth and making it up as he goes along. His gut instinct as a businessman. Still even in business I wouldn't want to be saying what he says. "okay then, it's a deal, I'll draw up the contract". "Sorry! I meant to say it's not a deal, and was talking about something else when I referred to the contract". He was born rich (not self-made), thinks he's good at something which he isn't (he's not such a great businessman), and tries to be the President. When he's standing next to real leaders (the Queen, Putin, etc), it becomes obvious to everyone. Whether it's walking in front of the Queen so she has to run around him, or saying stupid things, it's just not professional. Worse he's forced himself into a corner now that he's offended everyone who were considered allies, the EU and NATO won't want to touch him.

Unlike Trump, Witness Lee understood the importance of containing Russia and Russia's nature in the world. If we consider Witness Lee's view of Russia and God's purpose, Trump's befriending and assisting Russia and going against NATO allies is not doing God's purpose and helping the gospel.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

I just think he's out of his depth and making it up as he goes along. His gut instinct as a businessman. Still even in business I wouldn't want to be saying what he says. "okay then, it's a deal, I'll draw up the contract". "Sorry! I meant to say it's not a deal, and was talking about something else when I referred to the contract". He was born rich (not self-made), thinks he's good at something which he isn't (he's not such a great businessman), and tries to be the President. When he's standing next to real leaders (the Queen, Putin, etc), it becomes obvious to everyone. Whether it's walking in front of the Queen so she has to run around him, or saying stupid things, it's just not professional. Worse he's forced himself into a corner now that he's offended everyone who were considered allies, the EU and NATO won't want to touch him.

Unlike Trump, Witness Lee understood the importance of containing Russia and Russia's nature in the world. If we consider Witness Lee's view of Russia and God's purpose, Trump's befriending and assisting Russia and going against NATO allies is not doing God's purpose and helping the gospel.

If you read the book of Revelation it seems the leading power is Europe, not the US. That Russia and China are major players, and that the US is over all by itself in the corner, a place for people to flee to. That view didn't make sense when Reagan was President, or Bush, or Clinton, or even Obama. But Trump has brought us halfway to that vision in just two years! Now I can see us being cut off from the rest of the world. Likewise, if the midterm elections show a dramatic swing of the pendulum in the other direction I could see us also becoming a place where people can flee to.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

If you read the book of Revelation it seems the leading power is Europe, not the US. That Russia and China are major players, and that the US is over all by itself in the corner, a place for people to flee to. That view didn't make sense when Reagan was President, or Bush, or Clinton, or even Obama. But Trump has brought us halfway to that vision in just two years! Now I can see us being cut off from the rest of the world. Likewise, if the midterm elections show a dramatic swing of the pendulum in the other direction I could see us also becoming a place where people can flee to.

Possibly Revelation speaks of Europe and the US collectively, "the West". I think US is still more powerful in every way to China, Europe, anyone and will be for a very long time still and whether the President is good or bad doesn't matter so much. People are still going to do business with the most powerful country. If Trump was the president of a small country however then what comes out of his mouth could make or break their whole economy, but not with the US I don't think. There is still no other country better than the US, it's always number 1 in my view.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Possibly Revelation speaks of Europe and the US collectively, "the West". I think US is still more powerful in every way to China, Europe, anyone and will be for a very long time still and whether the President is good or bad doesn't matter so much. People are still going to do business with the most powerful country. If Trump was the president of a small country however then what comes out of his mouth could make or break their whole economy, but not with the US I don't think. There is still no other country better than the US, it's always number 1 in my view.

I think it is very difficult, if not impossible to see the Antichrist as anything but a European leader.

The Great Eagle (as opposed to other Eagles like Mexico) would certainly be the US, it is also described as "the wilderness" and a place to flee to.

Gog -- Russia, MaGog -- China.

Armageddon is clearly a place in the Middle East. The Four corners of the Earth are tied up at the Tigris/Euphrates -- sounds like the current situation in Iraq.

[zeek]

Michael Kimmage https://history.catholic.edu/faculty...ael/index.html
What Trump just did in Helsinki is pull the rug out from under his feet in terms of dealing with Russia. I think he destroyed his credibility as a president on this issue. He merged the cheapest of campaign rhetoric with issues that relate to America’s standing in the world, that relate to America’s security, in ways that are grossly irresponsible.

I think in retrospect what one can say about this meeting is that it was way too soon given the level of preparation, and probably it was just a bad idea to begin with.

If the president genuinely cared about improving the US Russian relationship, it is he who just killed the chance of that, by appearing so untrustworthy and so ill-prepared. You can’t blame Putin in this case, you can’t blame the media. It [is] the president that has put himself in the place he is in.

https://www.vox.com/conversations/20...-syria-ukraine

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I think it is very difficult, if not impossible to see the Antichrist as anything but a European leader.

The Great Eagle (as opposed to other Eagles like Mexico) would certainly be the US, it is also described as "the wilderness" and a place to flee to.

Gog -- Russia, MaGog -- China.

Armageddon is clearly a place in the Middle East. The Four corners of the Earth are tied up at the Tigris/Euphrates -- sounds like the current situation in Iraq.

All Revelation chapter 12 actually says about this is

Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood.

That people still look to the fulfillment of Revelation's in the 21st century is a testimony to the book's power to symbolize people's existential angst. To make that symbolic story into something about the USA 2000 years later seems like desperately wishful thinking. It is like an eagle flying in the face of the probability that John was writing about people and events of the world he knew and he knew nothing about the world 20 centuries later.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

I just think he's out of his depth and making it up as he goes along. His gut instinct as a businessman. Still even in business I wouldn't want to be saying what he says. "okay then, it's a deal, I'll draw up the contract". "Sorry! I meant to say it's not a deal, and was talking about something else when I referred to the contract". He was born rich (not self-made), thinks he's good at something which he isn't (he's not such a great businessman), and tries to be the President. When he's standing next to real leaders (the Queen, Putin, etc), it becomes obvious to everyone. Whether it's walking in front of the Queen so she has to run around him, or saying stupid things, it's just not professional. Worse he's forced himself into a corner now that he's offended everyone who were considered allies, the EU and NATO won't want to touch him.

Unlike Trump, Witness Lee understood the importance of containing Russia and Russia's nature in the world. If we consider Witness Lee's view of Russia and God's purpose, Trump's befriending and assisting Russia and going against NATO allies is not doing God's purpose and helping the gospel.

Lee was hardly unique in that respect. I heard Cold-War evangelists like Herbert W. Armstrong and Jack Van Impe preaching about Russia as Gog and Magog and it's role in Armageddon on TV on Sunday mornings when I was a kid before I became aware of Lee, so when I heard him preaching it, it was nothing special to me. On Saturday mornings, I watched cartoons.