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[awareness]

As McConnell said in 1999:

[The president’s] decisions have led the United States Senate to its own critical crossroads. And now we must choose our path. We can do the right thing. Or we can lower our standards and allow [the president] to cling to public office ― regardless of the consequences to our nation, to our system of justice, and to our future generations...

So what will we do this day? Will we rise above or will we sink below? Will we condone this president’s conduct or will we condemn it? Will we change our standards or will we change our president?

I guess with Trump Mitch will change his standards.

[zeek]

In the last five days, President Trump has thanked Kim Jong-un of North Korea for his “nice letter,” reminisced about his “great meeting” with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and offered to meet Iran’s president, Hassan Rouhani, without any preconditions.

During those same five days, the Treasury Department imposed sanctions on a Russian bank accused of helping North Korea with weapons-related activities. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo listed stringent preconditions for any engagement with Iran. And the administration’s top intelligence and law enforcement officials vowed to combat Russian interference in the midterm elections, while Senate Republicans pushed a bill that would impose harsh new sanctions on Moscow.

There is Mr. Trump’s foreign policy, and then there is the foreign policy of the rest of the Trump administration, backed by the Republican Party. This week, the two were openly at odds with each other. Be it Russia, NATO, Iran or North Korea, Mr. Trump’s staff and his party projected a radically different message than the president himself.

On Thursday, the White House produced an array of top officials to dramatize the (Russian) threat and explain the nation’s countermeasures. The president was conspicuously absent. Yet at a rally in Pennsylvania hours later, Mr. Trump dismissed the special counsel’s investigation of Russian interference as a “hoax” that was impeding his efforts to nurture a constructive relationship with the Russian president. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/03/u...39ries&ref=cta

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

There is Mr. Trump’s foreign policy, and then there is the foreign policy of the rest of the Trump administration, backed by the Republican Party. This week, the two were openly at odds with each other. Be it Russia, NATO, Iran or North Korea, Mr. Trump’s staff and his party projected a radically different message than the president himself.

On Thursday, the White House produced an array of top officials to dramatize the (Russian) threat and explain the nation’s countermeasures. The president was conspicuously absent. Yet at a rally in Pennsylvania hours later, Mr. Trump dismissed the special counsel’s investigation of Russian interference as a “hoax” that was impeding his efforts to nurture a constructive relationship with the Russian president. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/03/u...39ries&ref=cta

zeek's blind and willful ignorance on full display here colluding with the NYTimes.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

zeek's blind and willful ignorance on full display here colluding with the NYTimes.

When Trump says "no collusion," he means he's not colluding with his national intelligence, or even with his own aids.

[zeek]

"Putin’s Russia is creating a new Reactionary International built around nationalism, a critique of modernity and a disdain for liberal democracy. "

"Its central mission includes wrecking the Western alliance and the European Union by undermining a shared commitment to democratic values. "

"Putin saw that what he and parts of the right share is a hatred of liberalism."

https://lacrossetribune.com/opinion/...d210fa471.html

Trump was recruited by Russian intelligence and is following Putin's script.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

"Putin’s Russia is creating a new Reactionary International built around nationalism, a critique of modernity and a disdain for liberal democracy. "

"Its central mission includes wrecking the Western alliance and the European Union by undermining a shared commitment to democratic values. "

"Putin saw that what he and parts of the right share is a hatred of liberalism."

https://lacrossetribune.com/opinion/...d210fa471.html

Trump was recruited by Russian intelligence and is following Putin's script.

Putin's Russia is built around nationalism?

Stupidest thing I ever heard! Every nation on earth was built around nationalism. The Declaration of Independence resounds with "NATIONALISM."

Have you guys lost your minds?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Putin's Russia is built around nationalism?

Stupidest thing I ever heard! Every nation on earth was built around nationalism. The Declaration of Independence resounds with "NATIONALISM."

Have you guys lost your minds?

I see what you did there taking the word nationalism out of the context.

So while you claim to be a student of history you're ignorant of the downside of nationalism. Really?

And you are unaware that the American Revolution began as a protest against the abuses of power of King George not as nationalistic fervor? Are you also unaware of the role of nationalism in the world wars of the 20th century?

You are perhaps aware that Trump has made globalism a dirty word. In his Twitter attack he called Charles Koch a former political Ally a globalist.

As a Christian Fundamentalist your sympathy with Putin's anti modernity is understandable, and of course your mentor theocrat Witness Lee was no fan of liberal democracy.

Did you notice how Trump attacked NATO and the European Union before his Infamous secret meeting with Putin in Helsinki? Even Secretary of State Pompeo can't say what transpired in that meeting which was supposedly conducted on behalf of the interests of the United States. If you believe that you've taken it on faith.

Free Speech Advocate that you are did you rejoice when the judge in Paul Manafort trial forbade the prosecution from using the term Russian oligarch which is exactly what those Russians are?

Nixon was a crook but at least he wasn't a traitor like Trump. Putin shares your hatred of liberalism. He shares Trump's hatred for the Free Press guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. So to be called crazy by you is an honor bro. thanks

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Have you guys lost your minds?

What guys who?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

When Trump says "no collusion," he means he's not colluding with his national intelligence, or even with his own aids.

With comments like this, posting here is a total waste of time.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

zeek's blind and willful ignorance on full display here colluding with the NYTimes.

Sorry, it is not collusion. Some top level Republican explained this to me. Apparently it is only collusion if you do it secretly, if you are very public and open about collusion and obstruction of justice, then it can't be a crime because you wouldn't have been so open and transparent about it.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Sorry, it is not collusion. Some top level Republican explained this to me. Apparently it is only collusion if you do it secretly, if you are very public and open about collusion and obstruction of justice, then it can't be a crime because you wouldn't have been so open and transparent about it.

Hillary paid for the Dirty Dossier put together by Chris Steele, but since she dwells in the stratosphere above the Law, it is not collusion with the Russians.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Hillary paid for the Dirty Dossier put together by Chris Steele, but since she dwells in the stratosphere above the Law, it is not collusion with the Russians.

Every single political campaign at this level employs private investigators to dig dirt on their opponents. If Trump has ties to Russia and is compromised we, the American voter, needed to know that before the election.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Every single political campaign at this level employs private investigators to dig dirt on their opponents. If Trump has ties to Russia and is compromised we, the American voter, needed to know that before the election.

Hilary et. al. have proven ties to Putin and Russia thru the Rosacom Uranium One transactions which brought the Clinton Foundation hundreds of millions of dollars and then you say it is good to investigate Trump.

Yet we have not seen one piece of evidence connecting Trump to election interference! Manafort's crimes are tax evasion going back 10-15 years when he was in cahoots with the Podesta group, who by the way have immunity.

With forensics guys like you, I would prefer the keystone cops.