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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

This seems so Jesus like to me. These UUs seem to be real Christians:

Arizona clergy call activists to support migrants on border

Arizona clergy are calling activists to gather this weekend at the state’s border with Mexico and leave large jugs of water on remote trails for migrants who continue to cross the desert during the dangerously hot summer.

https://www.apnews.com/e9db10622f294...ants-on-border

What if I left food and water on your property to entice trespassers and squatters, would you then consider me a "real" Christian?

[Ohio]

Democrat Senator from Connecticut, Chris Murphy: ‘Survival of Our Democracy’ Depends on Banning Conservative Websites From Social Media' because they "destroy our democracy."

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Democrat Senator from Connecticut, Chris Murphy: ‘Survival of Our Democracy’ Depends on Banning Conservative Websites From Social Media' because they "destroy our democracy."

"No company is compelled to smear the reputations of dead kids' parents [is that an approved conservative tactic?], and no elected official (even Democrats) are required to stand idly by."

Colorful graphic mistakes plurality for division.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

What if I left food and water on your property to entice trespassers and squatters, would you then consider me a "real" Christian?

If they were people, human beings, that needed help, YES! I don't know about subhumans. Are those coming in subhuman? What color are they?

[awareness]

Here's a word from George Soros, about Corey Stewart, GOP running for senate in Virginia :

Virginia GOP Senate Candidate Says He's 'Very Proud' the State Joined the Confederacy During the Civil War

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-po...ederacy-during

That's racism ... not even trying to hide. Proud of it actually. Campaigning on it, for the white vote.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Here's a word from George Soros, about Corey Stewart, GOP running for senate in Virginia :

Virginia GOP Senate Candidate Says He's 'Very Proud' the State Joined the Confederacy During the Civil War

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-po...ederacy-during

That's racism ... not even trying to hide. Proud of it actually. Campaigning on it, for the white vote.

The civil war was not simply about slavery, it was also about State's rights versus Federal govt's power. It was also about the change from an agricultural society to an industrial one. It is insulting, simplistic and wrong to say those in the North were fighting to abolish slavery and those in the South were fighting to preserve it.

When the decision to join the confederacy was made that was certainly not the only factor in the decision. There is overwhelming evidence that many in the North were every bit as racist as many in the South. Many in the North were very clear that they were not fighting to abolish slavery, therefore it is ridiculous to conclude that those in the South had to be fighting to keep it. Likewise, 75% of those in the South did not own slaves, and only about 5% owned more than two. It is naive to think that 75% of those in the South were willing to die so that plantation owners could keep their plantation.

This suggestion that the South was racist and the North was not is divisive. If the South is so racist why did so many freed slaves stay? The reality in the South, just like the North, is that about a third of the people are fleshly, a third are spiritual and about a third are in between.

It is also very possible that the monster created (US Federal govt) can end up committing more heinous crimes than even the South did. I am not excusing the sins of the South, only cautioning against the arrogance of those in the North with their "holier than thou" attitude.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I am not excusing the sins of the South, only cautioning against the arrogance of those in the North with their "holier than thou" attitude.

Yeah, and John Brown wasn't an abolitionist, neither was the underground rail road, nor the Federal Act. And the Southern Baptist's were formed against slavery.

And: "Corey Stewart, the Republican nominee for a U.S. Senate seat in Virginia, praised former slave-state Virignia's secession effort in 1861 to protect slavery."

[awareness]

A closer look at America’s rapidly growing religious ‘nones’

Religiously UnaffiliatedReligious “nones” – a shorthand we use to refer to people who self-identify as atheists or agnostics, as well as those who say their religion is “nothing in particular” – now make up roughly 23% of the U.S. adult population. This is a stark increase from 2007, the last time a similar Pew Research study was conducted, when 16% of Americans were “nones.” (During this same time period, Christians have fallen from 78% to 71%.)

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ligious-nones/

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Yeah, and John Brown wasn't an abolitionist, neither was the underground rail road, nor the Federal Act. And the Southern Baptist's were formed against slavery.

And: "Corey Stewart, the Republican nominee for a U.S. Senate seat in Virginia, praised former slave-state Virignia's secession effort in 1861 to protect slavery."

The quotation marks you put in could be misinterpreted to be quoting Corey Stewart, they weren't, they were quoting the author* of the article.

This is his quote: "But it's also the state of Robert E. Lee, and Stonewall Jackson, and J.E.B. Stuart. Because, at the base of it, Virginians, we think for ourselves," he said. "And if the established order is wrong, we rebel. We did that in the Revolution, we did it in the Civil War, and we're doing it today. We're doing it today because they're trying to rob us of everything that we hold dear: our history, our heritage, our culture."

Once again, my point is very simple, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson were two of America's greatest generals on the battlefield and I have no issue with someone from Virginia being proud of them. Not to mention George Washington and some of the other names he mentioned.

I think the South and the entire US had very heinous sins to atone for as a result of slavery and the Civil war is the cost we paid for that unrighteousness and sin.

That said, the claim that someone from Virginia is a racist because they are proud to be from Virginia is repulsive.

*Chris Sosa, the author of the article is clearly a very biased reporter. One article of his refers to the "Trump cult" and "magical thinking". Another says that the Trump GOP is the modern day KKK and that the grand wizard is in the Whitehouse. A third talks about Trump's mental decline as being obvious and undeniable. A fourth says that Nixon was never publicly unhinged like Trump. This article says that a man running for public office in Virginia and who is unashamed to be from Virginia, even proud to be from Virginia must a racist. Let the reader beware.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

If they were people, human beings, that needed help, YES! I don't know about subhumans. Are those coming in subhuman? What color are they?

What are subhumans? This post makes no sense.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

What are subhumans? This post makes no sense.

Put your thinking cap on brother. Trump has called 'em animals. It's an old motif. Demonizing those that aren't in our tribe is how we keep them out. In other words, we have to depict them as subhuman ... and even keep their children in cages like animals.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Put your thinking cap on brother. Trump has called 'em animals. It's an old motif. Demonizing those that aren't in our tribe is how we keep them out. In other words, we have to depict them as subhuman ... and even keep their children in cages like animals.

This is quite deceptive. WHO IS "THEM?"

Trump called MS13 animals. Have you not read how they murder their victims? Twist the facts and believe a lie?

It was the Obama Admin that put kids in cages. That widely circulated pic was from 2014. Typical media smear job, eh?

This one post of yours is proof positive of our biased media. Unfortunately, what you hold so dear, are just falsehoods.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Put your thinking cap on brother. Trump has called 'em animals. It's an old motif. Demonizing those that aren't in our tribe is how we keep them out. In other words, we have to depict them as subhuman ... and even keep their children in cages like animals.

This one post seems to characterize all I have been saying about fake news media and the progressives who drink their Kool-Aid. You don't think about what they tell you, rather look down at conservatives as thought-less followers of Trump who need to put on their "thinking cap."

• Obama put these children in "cages," yet no one said a word
• The media had pics of these cages in 2014, yet kept silent
• The media used this pic to smear Trump, and you believed it
• Media acts like this policy started under Trump
• Media smears Trump every day inciting antifa groups to action
• Why not, since Obama was your savior and Trump is Hitler

Secondly ...

• Obama opened the borders allowing unvetted MS-13 gangs to spread like wildfire
• The media keeps quiet about criminal activities of illegal immigrants
• The media promotes sanctuary cities as "real love"
• But no "real love" for citizen victims like Kate Steinle
• Trump highlights the dangers of these policies, citing the need for border security
• Discussing the dangers, Trump calls tatted MS-13 gang members "animals"
• Media distorts his word, saying Trump calls all immigrants "animals"
• You believe these media lies and keep gulping the Kool-Aid
• You then join in to condemn all Trump supporters with the same lies inventing new words like "subhuman"

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

This one post seems to characterize all I have been saying about fake news media and the progressives who drink their Kool-Aid. You don't think about what they tell you, rather look down at conservatives as thought-less followers of Trump who need to put on their "thinking cap."

• Obama put these children in "cages," yet no one said a word
• The media had pics of these cages in 2014, yet kept silent
• The media used this pic to smear Trump, and you believed it
• Media acts like this policy started under Trump
• Media smears Trump every day inciting antifa groups to action
• Why not, since Obama was your savior and Trump is Hitler

Secondly ...

• Obama opened the borders allowing unvetted MS-13 gangs to spread like wildfire
• The media keeps quiet about criminal activities of illegal immigrants
• The media promotes sanctuary cities as "real love"
• But no "real love" for citizen victims like Kate Steinle
• Trump highlights the dangers of these policies, citing the need for border security
• Discussing the dangers, Trump calls tatted MS-13 gang members "animals"
• Media distorts his word, saying Trump calls all immigrants "animals"
• You believe these media lies and keep gulping the Kool-Aid
• You then join in to condemn all Trump supporters with the same lies inventing new words like "subhuman"

Goodness! I guess I struck a nerve.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Goodness! I guess I struck a nerve.

What a copout.

Put your thinking cap on and address the facts.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

[*]Obama opened the borders allowing unvetted MS-13 gangs to spread like wildfire[*]The media keeps quiet about criminal activities of illegal immigrants

It seems to me everything hinges on these two points.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...sa-since-1990/

According to the national average we had around 458 violent offenses per 100,000 people when Obama first became president and in his last year that was down close to 386. That is a decrease of 16% in 8 years which follows the trend of the last 25 years. So it doesn't seem to make any sense to say that "gangs spread like wildfire" when Obama was president.

Likewise one main reason everyone is talking about gang violence is that the media does cover it. The second reason is that organized crime has been severely crippled due to a variety of forensic tools we didn't have 30 or 40 years ago. Gangs are basically kids, no one is getting to the "wise guy" level, much less the Don level anymore. The reason we talk about the "Cartels" is that you have to go to the third world to find organized crime on that level anymore.

[awareness]

=Ohio]Namcy Pelosi and Maxine Waters have incited their base to violent protest.

I know. They've got 'em worked up into a real granny-get-yer-gun frenzy. Almost like a Trump rally.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

It seems to me everything hinges on these two points.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...sa-since-1990/

According to the national average we had around 458 violent offenses per 100,000 people when Obama first became president and in his last year that was down close to 386. That is a decrease of 16% in 8 years which follows the trend of the last 25 years. So it doesn't seem to make any sense to say that "gangs spread like wildfire" when Obama was president.

Likewise one main reason everyone is talking about gang violence is that the media does cover it. The second reason is that organized crime has been severely crippled due to a variety of forensic tools we didn't have 30 or 40 years ago. Gangs are basically kids, no one is getting to the "wise guy" level, much less the Don level anymore. The reason we talk about the "Cartels" is that you have to go to the third world to find organized crime on that level anymore.

In this regard both sides highlight the kind of violence which they use to fear monger. The left uses school violence to promote gun control. The right uses terrorism by illegal immigrants to protect the borders.

I have concerns with both extremes. One of the necessary evils of our society is the excessive police presence and invasion of our civil liberties. Without a doubt there are trigger happy and abusive police who seem to get away with murder.

Yet what has happened to Chicago is liberal policies run rampant. I heard a debate last night with two black leaders discussing the violence there. One called for increased 4th amendment protections, the other called for increased police presence. Chicago's mayor seems to believe that the violence is unavoidable -- just so that no one's "rights" are violated.