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Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

It seems to me everything hinges on these two points.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...sa-since-1990/

According to the national average we had around 458 violent offenses per 100,000 people when Obama first became president and in his last year that was down close to 386. That is a decrease of 16% in 8 years which follows the trend of the last 25 years. So it doesn't seem to make any sense to say that "gangs spread like wildfire" when Obama was president.

Likewise one main reason everyone is talking about gang violence is that the media does cover it. The second reason is that organized crime has been severely crippled due to a variety of forensic tools we didn't have 30 or 40 years ago. Gangs are basically kids, no one is getting to the "wise guy" level, much less the Don level anymore. The reason we talk about the "Cartels" is that you have to go to the third world to find organized crime on that level anymore.

In this regard both sides highlight the kind of violence which they use to fear monger. The left uses school violence to promote gun control. The right uses terrorism by illegal immigrants to protect the borders.

I have concerns with both extremes. One of the necessary evils of our society is the excessive police presence and invasion of our civil liberties. Without a doubt there are trigger happy and abusive police who seem to get away with murder.

Yet what has happened to Chicago is liberal policies run rampant. I heard a debate last night with two black leaders discussing the violence there. One called for increased 4th amendment protections, the other called for increased police presence. Chicago's mayor seems to believe that the violence is unavoidable -- just so that no one's "rights" are violated.