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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

C'mon, man. You know what the Bible says. "Whatever a man sows he will also reap." Trump sows hate. So, it shouldn't be surprising to you that that's what he reaps.

C'mon man you know what the Bible says. "The god of this age has blinded their minds."

The Dems, the Obama deep state intelligentia, and the media have mounted a coup since the day Trump won the Republican nomination.

All the facts confirm what I have been saying. To disprove my statement all you need to do is show me one piece of evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election.

Are you also blaming Trump "hate" for the firing of Strzok, who exonerated Clinton and launched the investigation into Trump?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

C'mon man you know what the Bible says. "The god of this age has blinded their minds."

Oh that's right! You have your special local church insights.

The Dems, the Obama deep state intelligentia, and the media have mounted a coup since the day Trump won the Republican nomination.

All the facts confirm what I have been saying. To disprove my statement all you need to do is show me one piece of evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election.

"Let patience have her perfect work" James 1:4. Kenneth Starr's investigation took how long? To date, special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian "meddling" has led to the indictment of 25 Russians and three Russian companies. Five people have pleaded guilty, including former Trump campaign official Mike Flynn, who was fired as national security adviser after he admitted lying about his contacts with Russians on the campaign trail.

When Trump publicly said "Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” it was the first time I know of that a major presidential candidate had actively encouraged a foreign power to conduct espionage against his political opponent.

If you cared about the integrity of our democracy you would have been outraged at that. But, you weren't cuz you hate the Clintons. Hell, you hate all liberals and all things liberal as you have often expressed on ths thread. You're basically a theocrat, and fascist dictator types like Trump and Putin cater to you guys. So it's no surprise if you support the dismantling of the US's alliance with liberal democracies world-wide and a new alignment with Russia and other authoritarian states.

Are you also blaming Trump "hate" for the firing of Strzok, who exonerated Clinton and launched the investigation into Trump?

No. Strzok compromised the integrity of his job, the reputation of the FBI and the investigations he was participating in. Which is sad for him because apparently he had been a talented and dedicated agent. Commentators are saying that the firing goes beyond customary FBI policy, but this investigation is of the highest of profiles so there is justification for concluding the "usual and customary" rules don't apply. People were fired for much less when I was doing routine government work without top security clearance.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

If you cared about the integrity of our democracy you would have been outraged at that. But, you weren't cuz you hate the Clintons. Hell, you hate all liberals and all things liberal as you have often expressed on ths thread. You're basically a theocrat, and fascist dictator types like Trump and Putin cater to you guys. So it's no surprise if you support the dismantling of the US's alliance with liberal democracies world-wide and a new alignment with Russia and other authoritarian states.

Interesting how you can denounce 60 million voters who elected Trump as fascist dictator types, claiming it is we Christians who are theocratic haters.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Interesting how you can denounce 60 million voters who elected Trump as fascist dictator types, claiming it is we Christians who are theocratic haters.

No. You misread the post. Try again. The fascist-dictator types are manipulating public opinion. The "theocrat" descriptor I applied to you alone. Unlike yourself I try to avoid sweeping generalization. Not all conservatives are the same just like not all liberals are the same. In fact, none of them are the same. If you dig down deep, political identities fall away. No two people are the same.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

No. You misread the post. Try again. The fascist-dictator types are manipulating public opinion. The "theocrat" descriptor I applied to you alone. Unlike yourself I try to avoid sweeping generalization. Not all conservatives are the same just like not all liberals are the same. In fact, none of them are the same. If you dig down deep, political identities fall away. No two people are the same.

Read what a theocrat is. Nothing I have written demands that. Today Sharia Law is the closest thing we have to theocracy. I support Trump for secular policy, without any religious demand on him. You are defined by "sweeping generalization" whether you admit it or not.

Look at who is today defining and manipulating public opinion -- it is the media, Hollywood, the deep state, and the Democrats.

Of course, no two people are identical, we have DNA do we not? But the LEFT you are apart of is characterized by a hatred of Trump, and look at what happens when someone like Kanye decides to differ. Look at how Omarosa is now their heroine. The media defines people -- loving or hating them -- by their connection with Trump.

You are doing the same with me. You are unable to objectively discuss the facts of issues, rather you espouse the media line wholeheartedly. Case in point was Charlottesville. You joined the media craze in deciding that Trump and all his supporters are affirmed racists, nazis, bigots, supremacists, KKK, etc. You have no evidence of this -- but neither do you need it -- because you just swallow the media message without discernment. Apparently you lost all your discernment when you left the faith -- yet you condemn all others like me for what you do. Romans 2.1

Look at how many Dems and Repubs have flipped their position just in the last decade in order to support Obama Progressivism and oppose Trump. At one time many supported secure borders, wanted a wall, opposed gay marriage, opposed abortion, supported marriage, embassy in Jerusalem, strong military, support for police, support for ICE, etc ... the list goes on and on.

You many say that there is diversity on both sides, but on major issues the Left are like lemmings headed towards the cliff. To be a conservative today often one must be willing to be an outcast from their own society.

[Ohio]

Here's a peek into the mind of a liberal -- only 3 minutes long

https://youtu.be/ybJCUvJwSkA

"If it sounds like a diabolical puppet show, that's because it is!"

I dare any of my liberal friends to rebut this.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

To be a conservative today often one must be willing to be an outcast from their own society.

Goodness brother. I don't want any part of making you feel like an outcast. I'm sorry for every time I've made you feel that way.

I'll try to do better. That's why in general to be congenial out in public it's best to stay away from discussing politics (and religion).

These days are days of extreme division. Passions are high. To me it looks like a pressure cooker, that's about to blow.

But didn't Jesus live in very divided times. In Matthew the crowds from all over are following Jesus. So he goes up on a mountain and speaks to "the crowds." This is after he healed all that were brought to him.

So the diverse and divided crowds were hanging on his every word. What did he teach, among many other wonderful things Matthew records him as teaching :

But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

Jesus wasn't for anyone being outcasts. Don't let politics make you feel that way brother.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Here's a peek into the mind of a liberal -- only 3 minutes long

https://youtu.be/ybJCUvJwSkA

"If it sounds like a diabolical puppet show, that's because it is!"

I dare any of my liberal friends to rebut this.

This is a propagandistic attempt to tar a large segment of the American population with the vandalism of one or possibly two individuals. It's the same kind of over-generalization that you condemn when the mainstream media does it. And yeah Hollywood celebrities shouldn't encourage vandalism as neither should anybody else.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Here's a peek into the mind of a liberal -- only 3 minutes long

https://youtu.be/ybJCUvJwSkA

"If it sounds like a diabolical puppet show, that's because it is!"

I dare any of my liberal friends to rebut this.

Thanks for a peek into the mind of a liberal. I know that it was just a peek, and there's lots of other scary stuff in there, but the peek allowed us to see that they are creeps. Oooooo, those scary creeps! And you can spot 'em. Every creepy person is a liberal. You can count on it. Even creepy conservatives, so called.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Read what a theocrat is. Nothing I have written demands that. Today Sharia Law is the closest thing we have to theocracy. I support Trump for secular policy, without any religious demand on him. You are defined by "sweeping generalization" whether you admit it or not.

Look at who is today defining and manipulating public opinion -- it is the media, Hollywood, the deep state, and the Democrats.

Of course, no two people are identical, we have DNA do we not? But the LEFT you are apart of is characterized by a hatred of Trump, and look at what happens when someone like Kanye decides to differ. Look at how Omarosa is now their heroine. The media defines people -- loving or hating them -- by their connection with Trump.

You are doing the same with me. You are unable to objectively discuss the facts of issues, rather you espouse the media line wholeheartedly. Case in point was Charlottesville. You joined the media craze in deciding that Trump and all his supporters are affirmed racists, nazis, bigots, supremacists, KKK, etc. You have no evidence of this -- but neither do you need it -- because you just swallow the media message without discernment. Apparently you lost all your discernment when you left the faith -- yet you condemn all others like me for what you do. Romans 2.1

Look at how many Dems and Repubs have flipped their position just in the last decade in order to support Obama Progressivism and oppose Trump. At one time many supported secure borders, wanted a wall, opposed gay marriage, opposed abortion, supported marriage, embassy in Jerusalem, strong military, support for police, support for ICE, etc ... the list goes on and on.

You many say that there is diversity on both sides, but on major issues the Left are like lemmings headed towards the cliff. To be a conservative today often one must be willing to be an outcast from their own society.

Well I'm happy to learn that you're not a Theocrat. Cuz I was under the impression that you voted for Donald Trump mainly because in order to get elected he said he would nominate judges and support legislation favored by your brand of Christianity including discriminating against lgbtq people, ending women's right to choose to have abortions, and widespread repression of non-believers. That sounds like a Theocratic legislative and judicial agenda to me. If you weren't a blind partisan you would see that both sides of the political spectrum are manipulating public opinion. It's ironic to me that you accuse me of being unable to objectively discuss facts because when I post facts you don't respond. You just skip over those posts. Like when I showed that the right-wing extremists have committed far more violence than antifa. You just ignored the post. Oh by the way that lemmings story that you used as a metaphor is fake news.

Lemmings have become the subject of a widely popular misconception that they commit mass suicide when they migrate by jumping off cliffs. This urban myth became widespread after this behavior was shown in the Walt Disney documentary White Wilderness (film) in 1958. However, the animals in the film are not wild animals jumping off the cliff voluntarily, rather they were bought by the producers and pushed over the edge of the cliff. Instead of suicidal behavior, what explains the drastic fluctuations in population size are environmental factors such as whether the right kind of snow is available. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming#Misconceptions

If it were true you would be a lemming living in a glass house throwing a stone.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Read what a theocrat is. Nothing I have written demands that. Today Sharia Law is the closest thing we have to theocracy. I support Trump for secular policy, without any religious demand on him. You are defined by "sweeping generalization" whether you admit it or not.

Although this thread is "Politics and the Church" it seems to me that "Politics and Religion" should be addressed here as well.

Personally I feel the whole idea that the US govt can be separated from religion is bogus. Whether or not you agree with Sharia Law the one thing I think everyone should be able to see is that admitting your religion is part of how your society and govt are run is honest.

I consider those abortionists who claim "freedom of religion" are simply dishonest. A promiscuous lifestyle is a religion. In the OT the priests of Baal and the priests of Molech were the ones that did the abortions. I interpret Baal to indicate the worship of your career and Molech to be the worship of fornication. Therefore legalizing abortion is the establishment of these religions and is prohibited by the constitution. The federal government has violated their jurisdiction when the Supreme court made this ruling.

Everyone lives their life in a way that values certain things and that can be seen as the things they worship and sacrifice for. If you claim my worship of God violates the freedoms given to you by the constitution the remedy is not to allow your worship of your career or fornication to violate my freedoms.

So then, "freedom of religion" indicates that our constitution provides an opportunity for everyone to be a citizen regardless of their religion, to practice that religion, speak about that, worship, meet, etc. Likewise they can vote. It doesn't mean that our govt is anti religion, or atheistic, nor does it mean that those who are elected have to deny or hide their religion.

The Federal govt has no right to establish a religion, and that is what legalizing abortion does. Instead this matter should be decided by each and every state.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Although this thread is "Politics and the Church" it seems to me that "Politics and Religion" should be addressed here as well.

Personally I feel the whole idea that the US govt can be separated from religion is bogus. Whether or not you agree with Sharia Law the one thing I think everyone should be able to see is that admitting your religion is part of how your society and govt are run is honest.

I consider those abortionists who claim "freedom of religion" are simply dishonest. A promiscuous lifestyle is a religion. In the OT the priests of Baal and the priests of Molech were the ones that did the abortions. I interpret Baal to indicate the worship of your career and Molech to be the worship of fornication. Therefore legalizing abortion is the establishment of these religions and is prohibited by the constitution. The federal government has violated their jurisdiction when the Supreme court made this ruling.

Everyone lives their life in a way that values certain things and that can be seen as the things they worship and sacrifice for. If you claim my worship of God violates the freedoms given to you by the constitution the remedy is not to allow your worship of your career or fornication to violate my freedoms.

So then, "freedom of religion" indicates that our constitution provides an opportunity for everyone to be a citizen regardless of their religion, to practice that religion, speak about that, worship, meet, etc. Likewise they can vote. It doesn't mean that our govt is anti religion, or atheistic, nor does it mean that those who are elected have to deny or hide their religion.

The Federal govt has no right to establish a religion, and that is what legalizing abortion does. Instead this matter should be decided by each and every state.

This is basically the argument of Francis Schaeffer that secular humanism is religion. As you have framed it, it's an argument against the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment and as such an argument against religious freedom. Perhaps it's impossible to be a Christian partisan and a small d democrat at the same time. If this is the way Christians think their only limits will be scriptural supports for subjection to authority or and the rule of law. Pluralism will always be an affront to the absolute truth they believe that only they possess.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Although this thread is "Politics and the Church" it seems to me that "Politics and Religion" should be addressed here as well.

Personally I feel the whole idea that the US govt can be separated from religion is bogus. Whether or not you agree with Sharia Law the one thing I think everyone should be able to see is that admitting your religion is part of how your society and govt are run is honest.

I consider those abortionists who claim "freedom of religion" are simply dishonest. A promiscuous lifestyle is a religion. In the OT the priests of Baal and the priests of Molech were the ones that did the abortions. I interpret Baal to indicate the worship of your career and Molech to be the worship of fornication. Therefore legalizing abortion is the establishment of these religions and is prohibited by the constitution. The federal government has violated their jurisdiction when the Supreme court made this ruling.

Everyone lives their life in a way that values certain things and that can be seen as the things they worship and sacrifice for. If you claim my worship of God violates the freedoms given to you by the constitution the remedy is not to allow your worship of your career or fornication to violate my freedoms.

So then, "freedom of religion" indicates that our constitution provides an opportunity for everyone to be a citizen regardless of their religion, to practice that religion, speak about that, worship, meet, etc. Likewise they can vote. It doesn't mean that our govt is anti religion, or atheistic, nor does it mean that those who are elected have to deny or hide their religion.

The Federal govt has no right to establish a religion, and that is what legalizing abortion does. Instead this matter should be decided by each and every state.

How about the matter should be decided by each and every woman?

The rest of your post, where you take it on yourself to define religions for other people, willy-nilly is : whack-a-noodle.

Did you mean it to be that way? Are you playing with us?