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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Manafort guilty; Cohen guilty. And Cohen implicates Trump. Trump may have to testify under oath after all. What do you think?

I agree with Trump "its a disgrace". I'm glad he is ashamed of his actions and associations with felons.

I also agree with Giuliani that the charges do not name Trump, that needs to be rectified now that we have Cohen's confession. Kudos for Giuliani pointing this out.

I think the best thing for the country is for Trump to resign so that he can focus his full attention on his legal woes. Especially since he has already confirmed that he was the one that directed Michael Cohen to make that payment and his lawyer Giuliani has also confirmed that he was the one that reimbursed Cohen. It is nice that in this case Cohen, Trump and Giuliani all agree about Trump's involvement in these felonies. The good news is that Pence is not implicated in any of this.

[awareness]

It's not a witch hunt. It's witches hunting :

Alabama pastor asks church to pray for Trump, against witchcraft attacking him
https://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/...ource=rawstory

[zeek]

Why Trump Supporters Believe He Is Not Corrupt
What the president’s supporters fear most isn’t the corruption of American law, but the corruption of America’s traditional identity.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...uption/568147/

[awareness]

Originally Posted by zeek

Why Trump Supporters Believe He Is Not Corrupt
What the president’s supporters fear most isn’t the corruption of American law, but the corruption of America’s traditional identity.

Trump, even if he's more crooked than crooked Hillary, represents American traditional identity. After president Blackenstein, he's the last great white hope. That's more important than corrupt law.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Why Trump Supporters Believe He Is Not Corrupt
What the president’s supporters fear most isn’t the corruption of American law, but the corruption of America’s traditional identity.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...uption/568147/

What an amazing story of connecting the dots. Fox news runs a story about the breaking news in the Mollie Tibbits case and the Atlantic is able to see the true inference behind this story, that what Americans are really afraid of is the corruption of America's traditional identity. I get it. Wow! So that is why Fox ran with this story.

One question, why did CNN cover this story? Also, why did ABC news? One other question, why did PBS and the BBC?

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

What an amazing story of connecting the dots. Fox news runs a story about the breaking news in the Mollie Tibbits case and the Atlantic is able to see the true inference behind this story, that what Americans are really afraid of is the corruption of America's traditional identity. I get it. Wow! So that is why Fox ran with this story.

One question, why did CNN cover this story? Also, why did ABC news? One other question, why did PBS and the BBC?

Did any of those networks run the Tibbits case as their lead story as the writer says Fox News did? The author is taking a stab at understanding why people who used to call themselves "The Moral Majority" and who once claimed to have "Family Values" have forsaken their supposed moral high ground to support a philandering, traitorous flim-flam man who with his attorney Michael Cohen is now apparently an unindicted co-conspirator to defraud the American people in the 2016 election. Got a better hypothesis?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

Did any of those networks run the Tibbits case as their lead story as the writer says Fox News did? The author is taking a stab at understanding why people who used to call themselves "The Moral Majority" and who once claimed to have "Family Values" have forsaken their supposed moral high ground to support a philandering, traitorous flim-flam man who with his attorney Michael Cohen is now apparently an unindicted co-conspirator to defraud the American people in the 2016 election. Got a better hypothesis?

So then why not actually listen to what these supporters have said, like Ohio.

1. They are not supporting his philandering, instead they are willing to say that not voting or giving your vote to Clinton because this candidate is a philanderer is foolish.

2. Many of those who have pushed family values have made it clear that they are not ignorant of who he is, nor do they approve, but the reality is there are two choices and the one they made was based on policies, not other requirements.

3. The term "traitorous" is unfair on two levels. First, there was no indication of any of the inferred collusion when they voted. So your reference to "support" should not be understood as "voted for". Second, as real, undeniable evidence of crimes (not traitorous, but impeachable crimes) has come out many of the strong supporters have pulled that support. Therefore the support you are talking about is simply supporting a guy who is being attacked.

4. Flim flam man. That is my impression, but lets be realistic, the economy is as good as anyone could have hoped. Also, he has followed through on his promises unlike virtually all other politicians including Obama. Finally, those who voted for him were the victims of the previous administrations of film flam men who have shipped their jobs overseas.

Yes, I have a much better hypothesis. During the Nov election the Democrats will win and then the impeachment process will begin. Why will they win in Nov because they finally can see the outcome of Mueller's investigation and have undeniable evidence of something they will not tolerate. This is not based simply on Cohen's confession, but rather the CFO of Trump's organization has been given immunity. Why would he ask for or need immunity if he didn't have evidence of crimes that he helped Trump commit.

This guys theory in the Atlantic is as hateful, insulting and divisive as anything I have ever seen. Perhaps there are 10% of Trump supporters who are "hard core" and this does apply to, but since that represents 5% of the voters and that in turn represents about 2.5% of the eligible voters in the US I find it completely unhelpful.

[zeek]

If Trump wanted Hillary locked up so badly he should have hired her.