kicked out!

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

Why Thank YOU !! I popped in because I am watching a teaching video. And the teacher briefly mentions Jesus God preparing our mansions. I remember a brief discussion I once had with an LSMr on the meaning of our mansions. The person could not explain what a mansion meant.

(John 14:2)
In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

And that brief mention on that teaching video (which is not on mansions btw) is what prompted me to pop in! LOL

Mansions = abodes or dwelling places (right?)

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Mansions = abodes or dwelling places (right?)

Yes.. but what does it mean to the LSM???

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

Yes.. but what does it mean to the LSM???

I dunno (got bigger fish to fry than disseminating all things LSM)

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

Yes.. but what does it mean to the LSM???

The local church understanding is that the mansion is God Himself.

The term itself means that Catholicism inserted pagan ideas into the Bible. The Bible does not speak of heavenly mansions. The thought of heavenly mansions comes from paganism, and can be found in Buddhism or Hinduism today.

This view has support in wider Christianity, as this ministry website states (I don't think this group has any affiliation with LSM or LEe)

The hope of going to an eternal mansion in Heaven is not based on the Scriptures. In fact, this belief actually leads away from the redemptive purposes of God.


http://www.wor.org/book/3745/mansions-in-heaven

Even Gotquestions seems to have grasped the idea:

https://www.gotquestions.org/mansions-heaven.html


the imagery is of multitudes together, not living separately in different mansions.

So, the (true) meaning of mansions can be found in many Christian resources.

[leastofthese]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

The local church understanding is that the mansion is God Himself.

The local church understanding? Which local church?

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by leastofthese

The local church understanding? Which local church?

That is actually an interesting question! A local church should be local, right? A brother and I had fellowship over lunch yesterday and we were talking about what the primitive ekklesia had. Basically there were two main things:

1. No centralized authority - each locality is autonomous and under the Lord's leading
2. A focus on scripture alone - nothing added in a way of ultimate authority or practice

In Broadbent's seminal book, "The Pilgrim Church," he clearly shows how getting away from these two things was the big error of the Roman Church, and how the primitive (aka pilgrim) ekklesia always avoided these two errors.

But the natural tendency of humans is to take control, and not adhering to these two points then opens the door for all kinds of things, systems, errors, etc. & etc.

Sounds simple, eh?!

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by leastofthese

The local church understanding? Which local church?

Any local church. Why should different local churches interpret scripture differently?

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Any local church. Why should different local churches interpret scripture differently?

(Sounds a little like a "When did you stop beating your wife?" i.e. loaded question.) Yes, they might interpret scripture differently than another autonomous local church and maybe even interpret incorrectly. But they must have the freedom to do so.

Falls into the same basic rationality of why we shouldn't have open meetings - somebody might say something in some way that isn't good . . . We need the FREEDOM!

[leastofthese]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Any local church. Why should different local churches interpret scripture differently?

I don’t think they “should” (as a rule of thumb). But they do...

How would a local church in Arkansas even know how a local church in Greece interprets scripture? They don’t even know of each other or speak the same language.

What am I missing here?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Any local church. Why should different local churches interpret scripture differently?

How could they with LSM breathing down their necks?

How could they when opinions are prohibited?

How could they when their only recourse is to reference the HWFMR?

Why would Paul, on the other hand, tell local churches, "if in anything you are otherwise minded?"

[Evangelical]

Freedom to interpret scripture however we like
or not?

What does the Bible say ?

I will wait and see if anyone can support this view from the Bible. I've got my verses ready to go. Any time now, I will be patient.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by Ohio

How could they with LSM breathing down their necks?

How could they when opinions are prohibited?

How could they when their only recourse is to reference the HWFMR?

Why would Paul, on the other hand, tell local churches, "if in anything you are otherwise minded?"

Could you please post the full verse of Philippians 3:15. ? If not, I will.