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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

No more justice here? No more presumption of innocence?

Look what they did to Clarence Thomas. Look what they did to Rear Admiral Ronny Jackson. Look what they did to Roy Moore.

If these women refuse to speak up for 36 years, and then remain silent when the FBI did those 6 exhaustive background checks on Kavanaugh, when will we begin to identify false witnesses and punish them?

The #MeToo movement was entirely predicated on powerful men preying on young women vying for jobs which these same powerful men could provide them. Think Harvey Weinstein of Miramax. That is the sole reason these young girls remained silent. Their careers were at stake.

A teenage Kavanaugh, however, had nothing to offer these woman to prevent them from reporting these crimes. Even if similar sexual "crimes" were reported, or any crime for that matter, and Kavanaugh was acquitted, either as a juvenile or an adult, then there would be some credibility to their complaints. But there has been none of that. By every account, examined 6x by the best investigative agents in the world, this judge led an exemplary and perfectly squeaky clean life until Senate hearings were concluded.

I informed 3 students today that their actions had eliminated them from any chance of being appointed to the Supreme Court 40 years from now.

I'm sorry I was not aware that Kavanaugh had been accused of a crime. Just saw the news, wow! Imagine the restraint of this woman knowing that the man involved in having her gang raped was being nominated to the Supreme court and not saying anything for 2 months.

Imagine how totally inept our FBI is that they never picked up on this!

The presumption of innocence does not work here. If Kavanaugh is innocent these women are guilty, if they are innocent he is guilty. This has to be investigated and the guilty parties must be held accountable.

But the days of civility are done, henceforth indiscretions committed by 15 year olds will be part of these hearings.

[Ohio]

I don't get it.

Are you breathing sarcasm or shock?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I don't get it.

Are you breathing sarcasm or shock?

I am trying my best to be open.

1. If someone were lying they would be afraid of being caught in the lie and being convicted of the crime. As a result you would expect vague responses like they don't remember the party or the date. Sounds to me like they are laying the groundwork for reasonable doubt. Likewise if they say they were blackout drunk. Both of these accounts would be ripped to shreds in a court of law with a top notch attorney. It sounds utterly absurd to me to have a drunken orgy with Brett taking his pants off, this girl being blackout drunk, and then incredibly she comes to at the same time someone calls out his entire name "Brett Kavanaugh". The third accusation is one I have only just heard and haven't had time to examine. But it also sounds incredible. How could the FBI have missed this? Surely if this woman was raped there is a police record. If she was gang raped at a bar then one would think the police had collected a list of everyone there. Then what exactly is the accusation, no one is accusing him of rape, rather they are saying he got women drunk who were then raped by others. What does that mean? He was at a bar buying drinks for himself and women. Is that a crime? Also I am unclear if these other women will go on the record, if they won't, then I don't consider these to be anything that should be considered. I also wonder why someone who claims he was involved in a gang rape would keep that to themselves all these years? Did the FBI ever hear this in the 6 background checks they did? None of this makes sense. What about the last two months? Why is this being dropped at the last minute. It has the appearance of a desperate attempt to delay the vote.

2. Prior to the accusation of the gang rape my attitude was that Kavanaugh had not yet been accused of a crime. Rather some term about sexual behavior was being used by the media. But as you pointed out it wasn't an abuse of power, the accusation was that as a teenage drunk he was a jerk. Since then we have changed the drinking age from 18 to 21 for exactly this reason. So your "presumption of innocence" would only apply to the accusers since if they were lying that would be a crime. There is a biologic reason why we treat teenagers differently from adults. As a HS teacher the jerk comments you see from him on his yearbook are so common it would be absurd to make this a basis to deny approval of nominees.

3. The precedent here is horrifying. Instead of looking at this man's credentials, resume, and professional behavior he is being accused of getting drunk as a kid, being obnoxious when he is drunk, and OMG buying drinks for women at bars.

So, I am hopeful there is actually more to it than this and will come out today. But at the moment my impression of the Democrats has plummeted. Another great example of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[ZNPaaneah]

IMO the testimony of Ford was believable, and it does add a little information that I would say strongly implied the party was at Kavanaugh's friend's house, the kid named Judge. That would explain why they treated the bedroom as their room while everyone else there was downstairs.

I also agree with the assessment that the Democrats behavior in all of this was heinous. This should have been handled in private, behind closed doors. The blame for the damage to both of these people as a result of the way it was released should be fully assigned to the Democrats. The notion that this senator sat on it because the woman wanted anonymity is, to my opinion, completely bogus. It still could have been raised with specific questions in closed door sessions.

We will now see if obnoxious and offensive behavior done by a teenager is a valid reason to not approve an appointment 36 years later, especially given the scarcity of evidence. (Even after her testimony it all boils down to a single witness without any corroboration.) If so, it is going to get really ugly.

[zeek]

With his raging tantrum and partisan attack on the Democrats yesterday, Brett Kavanaugh revealed that he lacks the judicial temperament and unbiased perspective necessary to be a judge on the highest court in the land.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

With his raging tantrum and partisan attack on the Democrats yesterday, Brett Kavanaugh revealed that he lacks the judicial temperament and unbiased perspective necessary to be a judge on the highest court in the land.

Wow, what a surprise! Who could have predicted you judging in this way!

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

With his raging tantrum and partisan attack on the Democrats yesterday, Brett Kavanaugh revealed that he lacks the judicial temperament and unbiased perspective necessary to be a judge on the highest court in the land.

Another high tech lynching. Reminds me of Clint Eastwood's hanging in the movie Hang 'em High.

And how dare Clint got a little upset with that! Definitely disqualified from being a "real" cowboy.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

With his raging tantrum and partisan attack on the Democrats yesterday, Brett Kavanaugh revealed that he lacks the judicial temperament and unbiased perspective necessary to be a judge on the highest court in the land.

Few noteworthy comments ...

The hearing yesterday was a shameful exercise in abuse, unspeakable abuse by Democrats, of both Christine Blasey Ford and Brett Kavanaugh. Blasey Ford did show up and testify, her two Democrat activist lawyers, Debra Katz and Michael Bromwich, by her side. She was not credible, but we should all feel sorry for her.

She is fifty-two years old but seemed childlike. She speaks in a child’s voice, which rose in pitch at the end of every sentence as though she is unsure about the validity of her own words. She was at times cheerful and giddy, which was off-putting, given the reason she was there: to shatter a fine man’s life’s work. She has traveled the world but had told the committee she was afraid to fly. So she is not an honest person. But she is clearly damaged, and those lawyers and whoever recruited them should be indicted for cruelty to an unstable person. Her lawyers and Dianne Feinstein have abused her horribly and used her as their tool to ruin Kavanaugh.

The Democrats on the Judiciary Committee revealed their inner selves yesterday, and it was an ugly, ugly picture. Every one of them attacked, demeaned, and verbally assaulted Judge Kavanaugh. Not one of them was civil or respectful to this man, who has led a life of high achievement, service, grace, and class. Booker, Harris, Durbin, Blumenthal, et al. are thugs. They are bullies in search of power with no regard for the truth or decency. No one should ever again vote for any of them. Every one of them has permanently stained their committee and the confirmation process. They have also forever destroyed their own legacies. Their performances today are what each of them will be remembered for.

Ford’s original letter to Feinstein is so badly written that it is hard to believe it was drafted by an educated person. Dr. Ford did not know the word “exculpatory” but has a Ph.D. Ford seemed as though she was in a dissociative state. She was reciting a studied script, blanks and all, as though she had been hypnotized. She had no reasonable explanation for why each of the witnesses she named denies ever being at such a party. She did not address the fact that one them, her girlfriend, made a statement under oath that she had never met Kavanaugh and remembered no such gathering. The Democrats in the room badgered Kavanaugh relentlessly but ignored the fact that there is still no corroborating evidence, no witnesses, no proof that the incident ever happened. There is only this sad woman’s distant, incomplete, and flawed memory. The Democrats don’t care. All they care about is keeping that seat vacant.

When asked who paid for her polygraph and who was paying her lawyers, Ford said she did not know. She said she thought there were some GoFundMe pages, but she had no idea how to manage them. She said she did not know that Sen. Grassley had offered to come to California to interview her. Her head must have been in the sand. Most likely, her lawyers wanted the spectacle we saw. They have been certain they could force Kavanaugh to withdraw. They badly misjudged the man they have tried to destroy. Kavanaugh rightly eviscerated them. It was his testimony that was truly heart-wrenching. It is likely that the millions of those who watched cried more than the judge did.

That any of this happened is the historical low point in American politics – and make no mistake: this was all about politics, not Kavanaugh. If there was any doubt before, there is no longer: the American left today is malevolent.

The Democratic Party has demonstrated for all to see just how soulless it has become. The Democrats on the committee disgraced themselves. The two youngsters, Harris and Booker (neither of them will ever be president), are callow, shallow, rude, and power-mad. We have seen what they are made of: pure narcissism.

What we saw today was the judiciary committee Democrats mercilessly abusing Kavanaugh, again, having already abused Blasey Ford into a stupor. Kavanaugh was justifiably enraged and fought hard against his abusers. He did a magnificent job. So did Sen. Graham in defense of Kavanaugh.

Any senator who votes against Kavanaugh now is betraying his own inability to see the truth when it is sitting right in front of him. Any senator who votes against this man now is signaling his approval of wholesale character assassination for sordid political purposes. The Democrats in the Senate might consider that.

A no vote is a vote for more of the horrific circus we saw today. Redeem yourselves, Democrats. Vote to confirm this good man.

By Patricia McCarthy

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Few noteworthy comments ...

Apparently yesterday's proceedings did not change Ohio's opinion, nor did it change Zeek's opinion.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Apparently yesterday's proceedings did not change Ohio's opinion, nor did it change Zeek's opinion.

Even the president now disagrees with Patricia McCarthy's characterization of Christine Ford's testimony. And it's starting to look like there might be an FBI investigation after all which the American Bar Association and Yale University called for and now might occur before the whole Senate votes. The president wanted Kavanaugh to look strong yesterday but he came off belligerent and out of control. And what's with the pouty face? Apparently nobody told him this was going to be difficult. You'd think a guy so close to Washington DC would have more political awareness. Plus, his characterization of his youth as squeaky clean conflicts with the evidence in his yearbook and elsewhere of the hard partying he and the boys we're engaged in. His definitions of those street terms in his yearbook were pure canard. And, of course, he could claim he was a virgin, but even if he never achieved penetration, it doesn't mean he didn't try. Didn't his evasive b******* remind you of Bill Clinton's at points? I think Kavanaugh's candidacy for the SCOTUS may be toast after yesterday. And he may have to visit the confessional after Kennedy pushed him to swear to God, don't you think? Who's up next? The handmaiden?