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[Ohio]

[QUOTE=zeek;81077][QUOTE=Ohio;81075]

Originally Posted by zeek

You're the one who used the presumption of innocence to defend Kavanaugh while parroting Trump and then denied that you had and now are giving your explanation of your confused thinking about it.

You don't like my explanation? What else is new.

Let me repeat.

The presumption of innocence is part of the American experience, reaching every part of our culture. It is needed now more than ever with this evil, crooked media we have. This is designed to protect the innocent from evil lies and false witnesses, as in Brett Kavanaugh's and Clarence Thomas's situations.

This presumption of innocence does NOT mean that someone cannot be found guilty in the court of public opinion. That will be determined by fair-minded individuals as evidence comes forward. In the case of that Lousy-Ford, she either lied or pled ignorance to every detail of the event for 36 years, but knew for sure that it was Kavanaugh. She had zero corroboration of any evidence whatsoever. It says a whole lot about your character when you are willing to believe such people.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is the judicial standard for conviction according to the various thresholds defined by law, i.e. "the burden of proof," e.g. "beyond a reasonable doubt, a preponderance of evidence," etc.

Apparently the media has robbed you of this little bit of common sense "wisdom." And you are almost 70 yo?

[zeek]

[QUOTE=Ohio;81086][QUOTE=zeek;81077]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You don't like my explanation? What else is new.

Let me repeat.

The presumption of innocence is part of the American experience, reaching every part of our culture. It is needed now more than ever with this evil, crooked media we have. This is designed to protect the innocent from evil lies and false witnesses, as in Brett Kavanaugh's and Clarence Thomas's situations.

This presumption of innocence does NOT mean that someone cannot be found guilty in the court of public opinion. That will be determined by fair-minded individuals as evidence comes forward. In the case of that Lousy-Ford, she either lied or pled ignorance to every detail of the event for 36 years, but knew for sure that it was Kavanaugh. She had zero corroboration of any evidence whatsoever. It says a whole lot about your character when you are willing to believe such people.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is the judicial standard for conviction according to the various thresholds defined by law, i.e. "the burden of proof," e.g. "beyond a reasonable doubt, a preponderance of evidence," etc.

Apparently the media has robbed you of this little bit of common sense "wisdom." And you are almost 70 yo?

With many words you try to obfuscate the fact that you extended the presumption of innocence to Kavanaugh but denied it to Gillum.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

With many words you try to obfuscate the fact that you extended the presumption of innocence to Kavanaugh but denied it to Gillum.

I applied the same standard to both. First you complain I was not clear enough, then you complain I use too many words.

Kavan-awesome came up innocent by every standard.

Lousy-Ford was a sick, false witness, victimized by Senator Frankenstein and the Left.

GlueLam had his chance to clear his name, but instead he played the race card.

Vote DeSantis! Vote America! Vote Integrity!

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I applied the same standard to both. First you complain I was not clear enough, then you complain I use too many words.

Kavan-awesome came up innocent by every standard.

Lousy-Ford was a sick, false witness, victimized by Senator Frankenstein and the Left.

GlueLam had his chance to clear his name, but instead he played the race card.

Vote DeSantis! Vote America! Vote Integrity!

DeSantis has my vote!

[Ohio]

The Left's greatest nightmare:


BLEXIT: the BLack EXIT from the Democrat party.





Incredible Logo artwork by Kanye West, inspired by a trip that he and Candace Owens took to Uganda in Africa.

[Ohio]

More bad news for zeek and his boy gov'ner Gillum ...

Democrat Andrew Gillum Billed FBI Undercover Agent $4,386 For Fundraiser, Never Disclosed In Finance Reports


Advice to Gillum: Keep your eyes on the agents under the covers

[ZNPaaneah]

In 2017 anti semitic attacks increased 67% from 2016. That surge has continued into 2018.

https://www.adl.org/news/press-relea...mpared-to-2016

[awareness]

1) A Trump lover, and pipe bombs.

2) A Trump hater, and shooting at synagogue.

3) Both white supremacists.

4) Must be those very fine people on both sides, that Trump mentioned about those at Charlottesville.

5) I'm sick of winning. And so glad America is great again.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

More bad news for zeek and his boy gov'ner Gillum ...

Democrat Andrew Gillum Billed FBI Undercover Agent $4,386 For Fundraiser, Never Disclosed In Finance Reports


Advice to Gillum: Keep your eyes on the agents under the covers

Give him the same presumption of innocence that you gave to Kavanaugh. Neither have been found guilty in a court of law. Innocent until proven guilty.

Aren't you shocked by your own legal relativism coming as it does from a professed conservative? What have you become since leaving THE CHURCH, some kind of postmodernist?

But, whatever you do, keep eshewing the mainstream media. Continue consuming and believing the extremist screeds that tell you what you want to hear. Those are the ones that radicalized Right-wing activist Caesar Sayoc. That's why all he went after the same people that you castigate with hate every day on this thread. You two guys are reading the same stuff.

[ZNPaaneah]

[QUOTE=Ohio;81086][QUOTE=zeek;81077]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You don't like my explanation? What else is new.

Let me repeat.

The presumption of innocence is part of the American experience, reaching every part of our culture. It is needed now more than ever with this evil, crooked media we have. This is designed to protect the innocent from evil lies and false witnesses, as in Brett Kavanaugh's and Clarence Thomas's situations.

This presumption of innocence does NOT mean that someone cannot be found guilty in the court of public opinion. That will be determined by fair-minded individuals as evidence comes forward. In the case of that Lousy-Ford, she either lied or pled ignorance to every detail of the event for 36 years, but knew for sure that it was Kavanaugh. She had zero corroboration of any evidence whatsoever. It says a whole lot about your character when you are willing to believe such people.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is the judicial standard for conviction according to the various thresholds defined by law, i.e. "the burden of proof," e.g. "beyond a reasonable doubt, a preponderance of evidence," etc.

Apparently the media has robbed you of this little bit of common sense "wisdom." And you are almost 70 yo?

The Law in the OT was very clear, you could not convict someone based on one witness. In addition if someone is convicted of being a false witness they were supposed to be given the judgement that they were trying to put on someone else. Now the woman who accused Kavanaugh of working with others to gang rape her should be convicted of being a false witness.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

The Law in the OT was very clear, you could not convict someone based on one witness. In addition if someone is convicted of being a false witness they were supposed to be given the judgement that they were trying to put on someone else. Now the woman who accused Kavanaugh of working with others to gang rape her should be convicted of being a false witness.

As one who has been hit with a few false accusations, I like this part of the OT Law.

Does this also apply to creepy porn lawyers like Avenatti?

[ZNPaaneah]

[QUOTE=Ohio;81091][QUOTE=ZNPaaneah;81090]

Originally Posted by Ohio

As one who has been hit with a few false accusations, I like this part of the OT Law.

Does this also apply to creepy porn lawyers like Avenatti?

Whoa! What? Avenatti has made false accusations about you? I was sure you were going to say Zeek.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Whoa! What? Avenatti has made false accusations about you? I was sure you were going to say Zeek.

Neither, just a comment about false witnesses in my lifetime.

God's law is fair and just.


But zeek did accuse me of being a friend of Cesar Sayoc.

[Ohio]

At Least 8 Dead and Officers Shot in Saturday Morning Attack on Synagogue

Wow! Just saw this. Violence strikes close to home. I used to live down the street from this synagogue.

[Sons to Glory!]

At 11:00 AM Nov. 4th we are awaiting the counts to see who the Electoral College will choose . . .

I was listening to Steve Gregg, a national Christian radio person yesterday, who was talking with different ones calling in about the election. One caller was going on how she couldn't vote for Trump because he was so abrasive, etc. Steve told her voting for president was akin to hiring a CEO to run a large organization. The person may have this or that going for or against them in their personality, but the bottom-line was whether they could be trusted to run the organization in a way that would cause it to prosper, and not to run it into the ground. Steve believed the Democrats will take the country hard into socialism, and therefore run it into the ground, whereas Trump would not. (Steve also big on pro-life . . .)

This got me to thinking (oh no!). Regardless who we vote for, we are really voting Adam into office. Adam will, and surely is, running this whole thing (the country & world) into the ground. I think it's just perhaps trying to figure out who might do this a little more slowly . . .

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

At 11:00 AM Nov. 4th we are awaiting the counts to see who the Electoral College will choose . . .

When they stopped counting and sent everybody home last night, Trump was leading.

This morning they found just enough Biden votes to win WI, MI, NC, and PA.

I have never seen the vote counting in big cities lag behind rural precincts. How did this happen?

[Sons to Glory!]

So here we are 4 days past election day, waiting . . . humans don't like to wait . . . we have little in the way of inherent patience I think. (and everyone is spreading fear, telling us what dastardly might happen if the other side wins)

So let me say, if Biden/Harris win - PRAISE THE LORD!!! If Trump/Pense win - PRAISE THE LORD!!!

In other words, in everything rejoice. Why? HE'S GOT THIS! The "King of Kings & Lord of Lords" isn't just a title - it's who He is!

No matter what happens in the day-to-day affairs of this life, I've read the end of the book and guess what? GOD WINS & WE THEREFORE WIN!!!

It's like sheep watching a master playing a big chess game. They have no idea what is going on. Therefore we must trust our wise, Master Shephard - HE'S GOT THIS! Like sheep, we're lucky if we see one, or maybe two moves ahead in this thing (if He has gifted us with such wisdom).

I think I'd like a T-shirt with some sheep standing around watching a chess board, and underneath the caption would say, "HE'S GOT THIS!"

[awareness]

[QUOTE=Ohio;81091][QUOTE=ZNPaaneah;81090]

Originally Posted by Ohio

As one who has been hit with a few false accusations, I like this part of the OT Law.

Does this also apply to creepy porn lawyers like Avenatti?

This post is screwed up. Bro zeek didn't say the material quoted. Prolly ZNP did.

So bro Ohio, fix it. Or I will.