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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I agree with you that the media has been nothing but "rude, vulgar and incendiary" towards President Trump and his family.

Would you like a list of examples? I'll start with calling Ivanka a "feckless c**t, threatening to sodomize Baron, and sending white powder to Don Jr. hospitalizing his wife for 2 weeks. Vanessa was so traumatized she left the marriage and all public life.

Perhaps you don't think these are "rude, vulgar and incendiary?"

The person who said that would be characterized as a comedian. Like I said they have expressed the worst bias.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

The person who said that would be characterized as a comedian. Like I said they have expressed the worst bias.

How can you justify spewing hate and vitriol in the name of comedy?

America is a country addicted to its laughter by so-called comedians. It used to be that late night ones like Leno, Letterman, Carson, Rivers, etc. were basically neutral. Today you would be hard pressed to find anything but hard left, obnoxious, R-rated, Trump hating comedians. Someone conservative like Tim Allen is hard pressed just to stay on TV.

When I refer to the "mainstream media," comedy is also included, and is regrettably a huge part of our culture.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

How can you justify spewing hate and vitriol in the name of comedy?

America is a country addicted to its laughter by so-called comedians. It used to be that late night ones like Leno, Letterman, Carson, Rivers, etc. were basically neutral. Today you would be hard pressed to find anything but hard left, obnoxious, R-rated, Trump hating comedians. Someone conservative like Tim Allen is hard pressed just to stay on TV.

When I refer to the "mainstream media," comedy is also included, and is regrettably a huge part of our culture.

Where did I justify it?

Do you read what I say? You "strongly protest" the accusation of strongly anti immigration. Is that for real, how could anyone disagree that Trump is strongly anti immigration, his platform is the wall, shutting down the border, and numerous other comments that indicate a change in policy towards reducing and controlling immigration.

You say that xenophobic is a false accusation. I never accused Trump of this, only said it was a possibility.

You accuse me of hating Trump when there is nothing that I have said in over two years that could be used to support that.

And now in this post you accuse me of justifying these comedians. I haven't justified them, I have pointed out that their accusations of Trump being to blame for the ugly discourse is hypocritical and their own bias disqualifies anything they say to this end. I have said that their bias is demonstrated in the extreme. How is my saying they have exhibited the worst bias seen by you as justifying them?

I agree that it is getting very difficult to listen to anything these comedians do or say. I think it is because their audience is the young 20 something crowd. I used to like Jonathan Stewart, I thought he gave an insightful perspective on the news and loved his ability to pull up old footage and tapes exhibiting the hypocrisy of various leaders. His replacement, on the other hand, is terrible.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Where did I justify it?

To me, when someone passes hateful rhetoric off as comedy, it sounded like you were excusing it.

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Do you read what I say? You "strongly protest" the accusation of strongly anti immigration. Is that for real, how could anyone disagree that Trump is strongly anti immigration, his platform is the wall, shutting down the border, and numerous other comments that indicate a change in policy towards reducing and controlling immigration.

I disagree. Millions of Americans would also disagree.

Trump has ALWAYS said that he is for LEGAL and SAFE immigration. That is obviously too difficult for the LEFT to understand. When ISIS fighters were disguised as Syrian et.al. refugees, Trump limited immigration from certain dangerous countries, ones previously marked out by the Obama admin. Have you seen the crime waves in England, Germany, France, and Sweden? But then the Left smears Trump as Anti-Muslim.

We have drugs, gangs, and illegals crossing our Southern border every day. Every aged politician is on record supporting a wall and restricted immigration. Trump comes along and decides to stop talking and start building. The Left, including posters here, once again smears him as a xenophobe, as anti-immigrant, as white supremacist, as racist, as hateful, as Fascist, etc.

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

You say that xenophobic is a false accusation. I never accused Trump of this, only said it was a possibility.

Forgive my semantics. I thought accusations of anti-immigrant were the same as that.

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

You accuse me of hating Trump when there is nothing that I have said in over two years that could be used to support that.

Sorry if I lumped you in with other haters. It's hard at times to distinguish constant condemnation from "hatred." I admit that your comments are more reserved than others.

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

And now in this post you accuse me of justifying these comedians. I haven't justified them, I have pointed out that there accusations of Trump being to blame for the ugly discourse is hypocritical and their own bias disqualifies anything they say to this end. I have said that their bias is demonstrated in the extreme. How does my saying they have exhibited the worst bias seen by you as justifying them?

Thanks for nuancing your views.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Trump has ALWAYS said that he is for LEGAL and SAFE immigration. That is obviously too difficult for the LEFT to understand. When ISIS fighters were disguised as Syrian et.al. refugees, Trump limited immigration from certain dangerous countries, ones previously marked out by the Obama admin. Have you seen the crime waves in England, Germany, France, and Sweden? But then the Left smears Trump as Anti-Muslim.

We have drugs, gangs, and illegals crossing our Southern border every day. Every aged politician is on record supporting a wall and restricted immigration. Trump comes along and decides to stop talking and start building. The Left, including posters here, once again smears him as a xenophobe, as anti-immigrant, as white supremacist, as racist, as hateful, as Fascist, etc.

This is semantics. You don't like my simplification of "anti immigration" fine, but the reality is that his focus from the first day of his campaign has had immigration reform as a centerpiece. And by reform we are referring to shipping millions of "illegal" immigrants back to their country, building a wall, and even using presidential decrees to limit immigration.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Forgive my semantics. I thought accusations of anti-immigrant were the same as that.

I didn't say "anti immigrant" that is a misquote, I said "anti immigration".

Originally Posted by Ohio

Sorry if I lumped you in with other haters. It's hard at times to distinguish constant condemnation from "hatred." I admit that your comments are more reserved than others.

Thanks for nuancing your views.

You are confusing condemnation with observation. When I say he is rude that is an observation that cannot be denied, nor does the fact that there are other rude people change that. Likewise when I say he is vulgar, sure you can call it "locker room talk" and no doubt others like Kavanaugh have also done the same, but that doesn't make the observation less valid. Likewise when I say his remarks are incendiary. That is a fact. That is the secret to his success. He was able to use twitter to suck all the air out of all the other candidates.

No one gets elected president who isn't talented. Trump's vulgarity and rudeness are part of his talent at being incendiary. Obama was talented, Clinton was talented, even Bush was talented. They all had their talents, that doesn't in any way imply they were good leaders or that they were moral people. The question is to what end does he use his talents. We are told to not judge before the time. Too many have judged Trump before the time. It is too early to do that.