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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by OBW

Yes. The mode of releasing the information was a grandstand of the worst kind. But you mistake mode of release for veracity, or lack thereof.

All of the claims of lies you make are without merit. You didn’t like how it played out so she was lying. She didn’t want to come forward so her reluctance proves lying. She doesn’t like to fly, so the delays are evidence of lying. She didn’t make any charge at the time, so she is lying. What a load of manure.

Really? Please show me the post where I said any of this? You have confused me with Ohio.

Originally Posted by OBW

Not now. There is a statute of limitations. You have absolutely no idea about what might have happened then. If it were brought forward at the time, you might never have heard of Brett Kavanaugh. And you may be right that it would never have been filed. But as so often happens in those kinds of cases, the woman is embarrassed that she allowed herself into the situation. She blames herself. And so on. So never files the charge. Never speaks of it to anyone, so no contemporaneous knowledge by anyone else.

I was not speaking about hypotheticals as to what might have been. I was pointing out that no DA would act on these claims today, when Feinstein got them. She knew this. She knew he had gone through 6 FBI background checks. She knew that the only value this would have is if she used it at the 11th hour to delay the confirmation. You have obviously not read all of my posts on this topic. I have made it very clear that there is a lot of evidence that the police can find to help verify these claims if they are made in a timely manner.

Originally Posted by OBW

Yes, that is a minefield for false accusations later. But it is interesting how many such false accusations are quickly discovered to clearly be false.

Are you talking about your own false accusations? 1. I have never once said that I thought Ford was lying. 2. I have never once mentioned or responded to her not wanting to fly. 3. I have never once said that her not making a charge 36 years ago should be a basis to think she is now lying. 4. I have never said that a DA would not have responded to her claim had she made it 36 years ago. Those are 4 accusations made by you in just a paragraph or two, all of which can easily be verified as false by looking at my posts.

Originally Posted by OBW

You made some snarky comment about me not having any spine. Your answer is to just make stuff up and build a wall.

No I didn't. This is another false accusation. Is anything in this post true or is it all lies? Once again you are referring to a Post by Ohio, not me.

Originally Posted by OBW

My response is to enforce existing laws, and work on better ones.

The only response I'm interested in is an apology.

Originally Posted by OBW

You confuse disagreement on politics with disagreement on the actual execution of the job. The speaking out against Trump is not about his political positions. It is about his lies and demeanor.

Really? Please direct me to the post where I am confused on this? Once again you are the one who has confused me for Ohio.

In the future do not delete the name of the person you are posting. You mingled quotes from me and Ohio, deleted the names, and pretended we were the same person. This is not a simple task to delete the name in each quote and had to have been done intentionally.

[Ohio]

The Story of Robert Mueller and Whitey Bulger

Back in 1976, as we were celebrating the 200th birthday of this republic, Congress passed a law limiting the tenure of the FBI director to 10 years. This was done because, after the scandalous findings of the Church Commission, Congress realized that letting J. Edgar Hoover serve as director of the bureau from its founding in 1935 until his death in 1972 had only confirmed Lord Acton’s maxim that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Hoover was a power unto himself, and the FBI that was created very much in his image sometimes acted more like the secret police of the totalitarian regimes Hoover regularly denounced: running rogue wiretaps, harassing political dissidents, using illegal means to collect evidence. Hoover’s FBI wasn’t accountable; it was untouchable.

So now, just weeks after the FBI’s worst nightmare, a gangster and FBI informant by the name of Whitey Bulger came strolling back into town, Congress is about to ignore its own wisdom and let Bob Mueller, the FBI director and former US Attorney in Boston, stay on an extra two years. President Obama says he needs Mueller to stay because there’s been so much turnover in the national security teams at the CIA and Pentagon, and that’s all well and good.

Mueller has wide, bipartisan support in Congress. To paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen, I know Bob Mueller and he’s no J. Edgar Hoover, though the folks at the ACLU might take exception to that. The recent FBI targeting of antiwar and labor activists in the Midwest has a disturbing echo of the days when the bureau considered Martin Luther King Jr. a sinister threat to national security. But Mueller’s a Marine veteran and tough enough to take a question or two before Congress gives the president what he wants, and Mike Albano is just the guy to ask it: What did you know about Whitey Bulger, and when did you know it.

Back in the 1980s, when he was serving on the Massachusetts parole board, Albano expressed some sympathy for a group of men who had always maintained they had been framed for the 1965 gangland murder of a hoodlum named Teddy Deegan in Chelsea. The FBI had been instrumental in seeing that the men - Peter Limone, Henry Tameleo, Joe Salvati, and Louis Greco - were convicted. The FBI contended that Tameleo was the consigliere of the Mafia in Boston, and that Limone was a Mafia leader. There is no question that both men were bad actors, and Mafia players, but the evidence showed that neither had anything to do Deegan’s murder. So in 1983, after Albano indicated he might vote to release Limone, he got a visit from a pair of FBI agents named John Connolly and John Morris. They told Albano that the men convicted of Deegan’s murder were bad guys, made guys.

"They told me that if I wanted to stay in public life, I shouldn’t vote to release a guy like Limone,’’ Albano said. “They intimidated me.’’ Turns out that Connolly was Whitey Bulger’s corrupt handler and Morris was Connolly’s corrupt supervisor. When they weren’t pocketing bribes from Bulger, they were helping him murder potential witnesses who were poised to expose the FBI’s sordid, Faustian deal with the rat named Whitey Bulger.

Albano was messing with the FBI’s national policy of going after the Mafia and the Mafia alone. That was the justification the FBI gave for making deals with devils like Whitey Bulger and his partner in crime, Stevie Flemmi. They were supposedly giving up their pals in the Mafia. The problem with the FBI’s national policy is that it didn’t take into account that the most vicious, murderous gangsters in Boston were Whitey Bulger and Stevie Flemmi.

After Albano was elected mayor of Springfield in 1995, he soon found the FBI hot on his tail, investigating his administration for corruption. The FBI took down several people in his administration, and Albano is convinced that the FBI wasn’t interested in public integrity as much as in publicly humiliating him because he dared to defy them.

In 2001, the four men convicted of Teddy Deegan’s murder were exonerated. Turned out the FBI let them take the rap to protect one of their informants, a killer named Vincent “Jimmy’’ Flemmi, who just happened to be the brother of their other rat, Stevie Flemmi. Thanks to the FBI’s corruption, taxpayers got stuck with the $100 million bill for compensating the framed men, two of whom, Greco and Tameleo, died in prison.

Albano was appalled that, later that same year, Robert Mueller was appointed FBI director, because it was Mueller, first as an assistant US attorney then as the acting US attorney in Boston, who wrote letters to the parole and pardons board throughout the 1980s opposing clemency for the four men framed by FBI lies.

Of course, Mueller was also in that position while Whitey Bulger was helping the FBI cart off his criminal competitors even as he buried bodies in shallow graves along the Neponset. “Before he gets that extension,’’ Mike Albano said, “somebody in the Senate or House needs to ask him why the US Attorney’s office he led let the FBI protect Whitey Bulger.’’

I called FBI headquarters in Washington and tried to do just that. The nice lady who answered suggested I talk to one of the FBI’s “public affairs specialists.’’ But my call was not returned.

Four years ago, when questioned about the FBI’s corruption in Boston, Mueller told the Globe, “I think the public should recognize that what happened, happened years ago.’’ That’s true. And we still don’t know what really happened

[Ohio]

Brett Kavanaugh Rape Accuser Admits She Made Up Her Story

The Senate Judiciary Committee has referred a Kentucky woman to the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) after she admitted making up an accusation that U.S. Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh had raped her.

According to committee transcripts released Sunday, the accuser, who signed the mysterious letter as “Jane Doe,” alleges Kavanaugh and a friend raped her “several times” after giving her a lift home from a party — making no attempt to claim a time or place for the lurid story.

The accuser claims Kavanaugh groped her, slapped her, and force her to perform sexual acts. “They forced me to go into the backseat and took 2 turns raping me several times each. They dropped me off 3 two blocks from my home,” the accuser wrote, claiming the pair told her, “No one will believe if you tell. Be a good girl.”

What's with these radical Lefties from Kentucky?

[zeek]

God’s Red Army

The Republican Party hopes to beat back the Democrats on Tuesday with a big push from the Christian right.

“If we do our jobs,” Ralph Reed of the Faith & Freedom Coalition boasted at the Values Voters Summit in September, “they are going to be more shocked than they were the last time.”

The Christian nationalist turnout machine relies heavily on an extensive network of conservative pastors.

J.C. Church, Watchmen on the Wall’s national director of ministry engagement and a founder of the Ohio-focused get-out-the-vote initiative Awake88, said, “the No. 1 thing” anybody can give you is “the supreme Christ.” But “the second greatest thing we can give this generation,” he swiftly added, “is the Supreme Court. We can build a firewall for our children and grandchildren that they just might scale the seven mountains of influence.”

“Seven mountains” alludes to an aspect of Christian dominionist ideology, according to which God has commanded true Christians to gain control of seven areas of civilization — including government, business, education and the media.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/02/o...d=165251391103

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

God’s Red Army

The Republican Party hopes to beat back the Democrats on Tuesday with a big push from the Christian right.

“If we do our jobs,” Ralph Reed of the Faith & Freedom Coalition boasted at the Values Voters Summit in September, “they are going to be more shocked than they were the last time.”

The Christian nationalist turnout machine relies heavily on an extensive network of conservative pastors.

J.C. Church, Watchmen on the Wall’s national director of ministry engagement and a founder of the Ohio-focused get-out-the-vote initiative Awake88, said, “the No. 1 thing” anybody can give you is “the supreme Christ.” But “the second greatest thing we can give this generation,” he swiftly added, “is the Supreme Court. We can build a firewall for our children and grandchildren that they just might scale the seven mountains of influence.”

“Seven mountains” alludes to an aspect of Christian dominionist ideology, according to which God has commanded true Christians to gain control of seven areas of civilization — including government, business, education and the media.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/02/o...d=165251391103

The Devil's Blue Army

Hopes to advance His many causes of atheism, abortion murders, suppression of free speech, totalitarian socialism, identity politics, anarchist protests, politically correct speech, activist judges, gay and transgender education for public schools, suppression of conservative ideals, condemnation of Republican elected officials, smear campaign against Trump, Mueller's attempts to frame the Presidemt, Pelosi's impeachment campaign, etc.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The Devil's Blue Army

Hopes to advance His many causes of atheism, abortion murders, suppression of free speech, totalitarian socialism, identity politics, anarchist protests, politically correct speech, activist judges, gay and transgender education for public schools, suppression of conservative ideals, condemnation of Republican elected officials, smear campaign against Trump, Mueller's attempts to frame the Presidemt, Pelosi's impeachment campaign, etc.

You think people who don't agree with your opinions are of the Devil. No wonder Right-wingers think they're justified to send us bombs in the mail and shoot us in our synagogues and churches. After all they're just slaying the "Devil's Blue Army".

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

You think people who don't agree with your opinions are of the Devil. No wonder Right-wingers think they're justified to send us bombs in the mail and shoot us in our synagogues and churches. After all they're just slaying the Devil's army.

Hold on there. Get your facts straight.

Wasn't it a left-wing anti-semite who shot up that synagogue? Wasn't it a left-wing socialist who shot up that Congressional game? Isn't it those left-wing crazies who use social media to target conservatives in restaurants in every city.

So let me ask zeek, is atheism of God or the Devil?

Is abortion of God or the Devil?

Are threats of violence in public places of God or the Devil?

Is gay and transgender sex education in preschools of God or the Devil?

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The Devil's Blue Army

Hopes to advance His many causes of atheism, abortion murders, suppression of free speech, totalitarian socialism, identity politics, anarchist protests, politically correct speech, activist judges, gay and transgender education for public schools, suppression of conservative ideals, condemnation of Republican elected officials, smear campaign against Trump, Mueller's attempts to frame the Presidemt, Pelosi's impeachment campaign, etc.

The whole premise that the conservative side (Republican) is God's and the liberal (Democrat) is of the devil is a tale spun by the kind of ignorant people who believe in America as a Christian nation and that God votes Republican.

All lies and false news.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by OBW

The whole premise that the conservative side (Republican) is God's and the liberal (Democrat) is of the devil is a tale spun by the kind of ignorant people who believe in America as a Christian nation and that God votes Republican.

All lies and false news.

The chief issue of this divide is abortion, the murder of the unborn. Apparently you are now convinced that God is not so concerned about the unborn life as the conservatives are.

Did you ever wonder why God commanded the Israelites to kill the Canaanites noted for their human / child sacrifice? Same goes for the Catholic Spaniard Cortez and the Incas who practiced the same?

Nobody is saying that God endorses Republican policies exclusively, every Republican candidate, or "every word that proceedeth forth from the tweet of Trump," but He has commanded us to "Choose Life, that you and your children may live." (Deut 30.19)

Do you also believe that God had no interest in Trump's decision to move our Embassy to Jerusalem? No interest in unwavering Republican support for Israel going back decades?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Brett Kavanaugh Rape Accuser Admits She Made Up Her Story


What's with these radical Lefties from Kentucky?

They vote McConnell in over and over again, and for McCain/Palin, and for Trump. Yeah, what's with these lefties here?

We're so crazy left here that we've got the Creation Museum, and the Ark of Noah ... and the Flintstone's riding dinosaurs. Crazy lefties.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

They vote McConnell in over and over again, and for McCain/Palin, and for Trump. Yeah, what's with these lefties here?

We're so crazy left here that we've got the Creation Museum, and the Ark of Noah ... and the Flintstone's riding dinosaurs. Crazy lefties.

That's for sure. It's not even safe to cut your Kentucky blue grass any more.

Ask Rand. His wife has to sleep with a loaded gun nearby.

But that's the Left's strategy. Since all their policies are disastrous, they must resort to fear mongering the right into submission. Sounds a little like Mel Porter.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Really? Please show me the post where I said any of this? You have confused me with Ohio.

Actually, I did not attribute the quotes at all. You are the lame brain to jumped to make them into being about you.

All from the smartest man in the room.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by OBW

Actually, I did not attribute the quotes at all. You are the lame brain to jumped to make them into being about you.

All from the smartest man in the room.

Try rechecking, the first quote was from me, and then you removed the names from every one of the quotes. The other quotes were from Ohio. Yet your post did not in any way indicate you were responding to two different people.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Try rechecking, the first quote was from me, and then you removed the names from every one of the quotes. The other quotes were from Ohio. Yet your post did not in any way indicate you were responding to two different people.

ZNP, if you prefer, I'll take the credit, or the blame, for all of the quotes.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

ZNP, if you prefer, I'll take the credit, or the blame, for all of the quotes.

What I don't understand with my lame brain is why he mixed a quote from me, a number of quotes from you and then concluded with a quote from me, removed every name from every quote, and then referred to each one in the vague term of "you". It comes across as intentionally deceptive. No one else does that, everyone else simply quotes a post and responds to it.

[ZNPaaneah]

Since the vice president’s adversarial speech on October 4, global equities have shed some $3.8 trillion in value, with the S&P 500 losing some $2.1 trillion.

This battle is for real and takes some real chutzpah on Trump's part, every other President prior to him was cowardly when it came to China.

One threat is the 1.2 trillion debt they have of ours. I think it would be idiotic for China to play that card. If they do they could send us into a recession, stagflation, or even worse. But whatever they do would cause a much more severe and long lasting impact to their own economy. That could have a much more dire impact on China.

As long as this plays out it will have a negative impact on our economy, but the impact on China's economy will be far worse and far more important. 80% of China is third world peasants holding onto a life raft of first world growth. That growth stops, they sink. On the other hand, if China makes some concessions towards fair trade it will have a huge positive impact on our economy and only a mildly negative impact on their growth.

Trump is taking the lead here and I imagine every other world leader is thrilled that he is.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The chief issue of this divide is abortion, the murder of the unborn. Apparently you are now convinced that God is not so concerned about the unborn life as the conservatives are.

Did you ever wonder why God commanded the Israelites to kill the Canaanites noted for their human / child sacrifice? Same goes for the Catholic Spaniard Cortez and the Incas who practiced the same?

Nobody is saying that God endorses Republican policies exclusively, every Republican candidate, or "every word that proceedeth forth from the tweet of Trump," but He has commanded us to "Choose Life, that you and your children may live." (Deut 30.19)

Do you also believe that God had no interest in Trump's decision to move our Embassy to Jerusalem? No interest in unwavering Republican support for Israel going back decades?

Ya know what? I'm going to assume that your concern for the unborn originates from your sense of compassion and give you an "amen."

But, now you're going to use that as basis for justifying genocide? Really bro? You and the almighty omniscient God, the very Creator of the Canaanites can't come up with a better Corrective Action Plan than that?

And you even go extra-biblical and exonerate your Catholic brother Cortez the Killer! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-b76yiqO1E That was gratuitously partisan even for a Fundamentalist.

Good that you choose life for yourself and your children. But, to judge everyone else? ...wise to leave that to God the judge of the living and the dead. Judge not lest ye be judged said Jesus. Isn't he supposedly your "Lord"?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

What I don't understand with my lame brain is why he mixed a quote from me, a number of quotes from you and then concluded with a quote from me, removed every name from every quote, and then referred to each one in the vague term of "you". It comes across as intentionally deceptive. No one else does that, everyone else simply quotes a post and responds to it.

When I first saw that post, I figured it would take hours to unravel the mess, so I just left it alone.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

When I first saw that post, I figured it would take hours to unravel the mess, so I just left it alone.

And then his response is evasive. Saying he did not attribute the quotes does not answer any of my questions, that was my complaint, he put quotes in from different posts and different posters without attributing them and as a result it was very confusing who "you" was referring to. Then, like you said that made it very difficult to respond to.

Think about how difficult it was to respond to, he quoted several of my posts, referred to me with the vague "you" but when I respond to his post he says I'm a "lame brain" because he hadn't referred to me. So what does that mean, no one can respond?

[OBW]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

What I don't understand with my lame brain is why he mixed a quote from me, a number of quotes from you and then concluded with a quote from me, removed every name from every quote, and then referred to each one in the vague term of "you". It comes across as intentionally deceptive. No one else does that, everyone else simply quotes a post and responds to it.

Well, you said it well.

I was responding to each of specific points found in multiple posts, not trying to make some direct assault on any person.It was each point, individually, the point that was being argued against, not the person.

But I guess your confusion is understandable.