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ZNPaaneah · 12-07-2018, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by zeek

Tariff Man...who disguised as Donald Trump fights a never ending battle against Truth, Justice and the American Way

Wow! have you changed your opinion about Trump? Oops, missed the subtle little change. Guess I got bit by that. Ouch.

I would warn that the only way the US got out of the great depression was through WWII, if Tariffs cause a depression in China, which already has too many men as it is, they also may be faced with only one solution.

ZNPaaneah · 12-07-2018, 07:19 AM

Arizona, together with our Military and Border Patrol, is bracing for a massive surge at a NON-WALLED area. WE WILL NOT LET THEM THROUGH. Big danger. Nancy and Chuck must approve Boarder Security and the Wall!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 7, 2018

I have a real issue with this. I get why a real estate mogul who probably has lots of boarders would want the government to subsidize his security, but is this really a good use of tax dollars? Also what about boarding school? Those are private schools used by the elite. Now he is planning on subsidizing their security? This is just blatant taking from the poor and giving to the rich. No wonder he waited until after the Midterms to float this idea.

Also we now know why he is so eager about building the wall. It is a threat to his personal maid that he'll deport her if she complains about ironing his drawers.

Ohio · 12-07-2018, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Arizona, together with our Military and Border Patrol, is bracing for a massive surge at a NON-WALLED area. WE WILL NOT LET THEM THROUGH. Big danger. Nancy and Chuck must approve Boarder Security and the Wall!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 7, 2018

I have a real issue with this. I get why a real estate mogul who probably has lots of boarders would want the government to subsidize his security, but is this really a good use of tax dollars? Also what about boarding school? Those are private schools used by the elite. Now he is planning on subsidizing their security? This is just blatant taking from the poor and giving to the rich. No wonder he waited until after the Midterms to float this idea.

Also we now know why he is so eager about building the wall. It is a threat to his personal maid that he'll deport her if she complains about ironing his drawers.

Do the math.

We have close to 25 million illegal immgrants in the US. Close to 70% live subsidized by the local, state, and gov't agencies. Consider the added cost for all judicial and law enforcement since so many more are criminals.

Border Wall is cheap.

awareness · 12-07-2018, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ohio

Do the math.

We have close to 25 million illegal immgrants in the US. Close to 70% live subsidized by the local, state, and gov't agencies. Consider the added cost for all judicial and law enforcement since so many more are criminals.

Border Wall is cheap.

But Trump wants boarder protection, or so he frantically twitted this morning.

Ohio · 12-07-2018, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by awareness

But Trump wants boarder protection, or so he frantically twitted this morning.

Are you "frantically' posting here again?

ZNPaaneah · 12-07-2018, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ohio

Do the math.

We have close to 25 million illegal immgrants in the US. Close to 70% live subsidized by the local, state, and gov't agencies. Consider the added cost for all judicial and law enforcement since so many more are criminals.

Border Wall is cheap.

Not border, boarder security. I don't even have boarders, why should I pay for security for Trump's boarders?

zeek · 12-08-2018, 06:53 PM

From interview: Tucker Carlson on Trump

The Swiss are very suspicious of anybody who is boastful. That's why I have a question about Trump…

…I hate that about him. I hate that… it's not my culture. I didn't grow up like that.

In your book you speak a lot about people who attack Trump, but you actually don't say very much about Trump's record.

That's true.

Do you think he has kept his promises? Has he achieved his goals?

No.

He hasn't?

No. His chief promises were that he would build the wall, de-fund planned parenthood, and repeal Obamacare, and he hasn't done any of those things. There are a lot of reasons for that, but since I finished writing the book, I've come to believe that Trump's role is not as a conventional president who promises to get certain things achieved to the Congress and then does. I don't think he's capable. I don't think he's capable of sustained focus. I don't think he understands the system. I don't think the Congress is on his side. I don't think his own agencies support him. He's not going to do that.

I think Trump's role is to begin the conversation about what actually matters. We were not having any conversation about immigration before Trump arrived in Washington. People were bothered about it in different places in the country. It's a huge country, but that was not a staple of political debate at all. Trump asked basic questions like' "Why don't our borders work?" “Why should we sign a trade agreement and let the other side cheat?” Or my favorite of all, "What's the point of NATO?" The point of NATO was to keep the Soviets from invading western Europe but they haven't existed in 27 years, so what is the point? These are obvious questions that no one could answer.

Apart from asking these very important questions has he really achieved nothing?

Not much. Not much. Much less than he should have. I've come to believe he's not capable of it.

Why should he be not capable?

Because the legislative process in this country by design is highly complex, and it's designed to be complex as a way of diffusing power, of course, because the people who framed our Constitution, founded our country, were worried about concentrations of power. They balanced it among the three branches as you know and they made it very hard to make legislation. In order to do it you really have to understand how it works and you have to be very focused on getting it done, and he knows very little about the legislative process, hasn't learned anything, hasn't and surrounded himself with people that can get it done, hasn't done all the things you need to do so. It's mostly his fault that he hasn't achieved those things. I'm not in charge of Trump.://www.weltwoche.ch/ausgaben/2018-49/artikel/trump-is-not-capable-die-weltwoche-ausgabe-49-2018.html

ZNPaaneah · 12-08-2018, 07:48 PM

Engineered coup in Iran because they nationalized BP, coup in Guatemala at request of Chiquita, In 1963 the CIA was working on two other coups, Cuba and Vietnam. In 1973 they helped with the coup in Chile, again on behalf of big business to thwart a socialist regime. This is how the CIA affects foreign policy.

CIA had over 400 paid assets working in our Media from the 50s onward. Major influence over 25 newspapers, the wire services and CBS. Today 6 major corporations own over 95% of the media. That is down from over 1,000 in 1963.

The name of the Bay of Pigs operation for the CIA was “Zapata” the name of George Bush’s oil company, and the name of one of the boats used by the CIA was “Barbara” the name of his wife. Almost makes you think he was involved. Ford was on the Warren commission. LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Bush (and by extension Reagan) were all the recipients of the spoils of the assassination. Likewise these leaders represent the major corporations that were beneficiaries of CIA policy (Big oil, Brown and Root, etc).

As a result of the Bay of Pigs Kennedy said he intended to “break the CIA into a thousand pieces”. He fired some key people. In addition, when he stated that he intended to cut off the intervention in Vietnam that would make the second failure for the CIA and cut off a critical source of income for them. So from that point on JFK was a major threat to the CIA.

The Warren commission report includes 20 pages of testimony from Lee Harvey Oswalds’ baby sitter when he was 3 years old and a study of Jack Ruby’s mothers teeth. It was a ridiculous collection of irrelevant garbage.

We now know that the authors who wrote independent studies on the assassination (which US publishers would not publish but had to be published in Europe and still became bestsellers anyway — Rush to Judgement, etc), these authors were all put under surveillance by both the FBI and CIA (based on recently released documents).

Accessories after the Fact — great book exposing the CIA’s black ops that catalogues and organizes the Warren Commission report. A CIA memo lays out the strategy to discredit the authors and books questioning the official position.

ZNPaaneah · 12-09-2018, 04:34 AM

Mueller details how Roger Stone, who the special counsel notes was in frequent contact with Donald Trump and senior campaign officials, directed Corsi to connect with WikiLeaks about the trove of stolen materials it received from Russia. Corsi subsequently communicated WikiLeaks’ release plan back to Stone, and the Trump campaign built its final message around the email release. That is collusion.*

Second, we now know that Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen and former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn have provided evidence to Mueller related to collusion. In Cohen’s sentencing memo, Mueller said that Cohen provided his office with “useful information” on “Russia-related matters core to its investigation.” One of those central elements, according to the Justice Department: “any links and/or coordination” between the Kremlin and Trump campaign figures. Collusion, in other words.

Third, Mueller has found evidence that Trump was compromised by a hostile foreign power during the election. In his plea deal, Cohen revealed that Trump had repeatedly lied to voters about the then-candidate’s financial ties to Russia. While Trump claimed during the campaign to have no business dealings with Russia, he was negotiating a wildly lucrative business deal not simply with Russian businessmen, but also involving with the Kremlin itself. Trump’s team even reportedly tried to bribe Russian President Vladimir Putin by offering him a $50 million penthouse.
Worse, Russia not only knew that Trump was lying, but when investigators first started looking into this deal, the Kremlin helped Trump cover up what really happened. That made Trump doubly compromised: first, because he was eager to get the financial payout and second because Russia had evidence he was lying to the American people—evidence they could have held over Trump by threatening to reveal at any time.

12-07-2018, 07:19 AM	#2
ZNPaaneah Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 7,105	Re: Boarder security Arizona, together with our Military and Border Patrol, is bracing for a massive surge at a NON-WALLED area. WE WILL NOT LET THEM THROUGH. Big danger. Nancy and Chuck must approve Boarder Security and the Wall! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 7, 2018 I have a real issue with this. I get why a real estate mogul who probably has lots of boarders would want the government to subsidize his security, but is this really a good use of tax dollars? Also what about boarding school? Those are private schools used by the elite. Now he is planning on subsidizing their security? This is just blatant taking from the poor and giving to the rich. No wonder he waited until after the Midterms to float this idea. Also we now know why he is so eager about building the wall. It is a threat to his personal maid that he'll deport her if she complains about ironing his drawers. __________________ They shall live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God

12-08-2018, 06:53 PM	#7
zeek Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 4,223	Re: Politics and the Church From interview: Tucker Carlson on Trump The Swiss are very suspicious of anybody who is boastful. That's why I have a question about Trump… …I hate that about him. I hate that… it's not my culture. I didn't grow up like that. In your book you speak a lot about people who attack Trump, but you actually don't say very much about Trump's record. That's true. Do you think he has kept his promises? Has he achieved his goals? No. He hasn't? No. His chief promises were that he would build the wall, de-fund planned parenthood, and repeal Obamacare, and he hasn't done any of those things. There are a lot of reasons for that, but since I finished writing the book, I've come to believe that Trump's role is not as a conventional president who promises to get certain things achieved to the Congress and then does. I don't think he's capable. I don't think he's capable of sustained focus. I don't think he understands the system. I don't think the Congress is on his side. I don't think his own agencies support him. He's not going to do that. I think Trump's role is to begin the conversation about what actually matters. We were not having any conversation about immigration before Trump arrived in Washington. People were bothered about it in different places in the country. It's a huge country, but that was not a staple of political debate at all. Trump asked basic questions like' "Why don't our borders work?" “Why should we sign a trade agreement and let the other side cheat?” Or my favorite of all, "What's the point of NATO?" The point of NATO was to keep the Soviets from invading western Europe but they haven't existed in 27 years, so what is the point? These are obvious questions that no one could answer. Apart from asking these very important questions has he really achieved nothing? Not much. Not much. Much less than he should have. I've come to believe he's not capable of it. Why should he be not capable? Because the legislative process in this country by design is highly complex, and it's designed to be complex as a way of diffusing power, of course, because the people who framed our Constitution, founded our country, were worried about concentrations of power. They balanced it among the three branches as you know and they made it very hard to make legislation. In order to do it you really have to understand how it works and you have to be very focused on getting it done, and he knows very little about the legislative process, hasn't learned anything, hasn't and surrounded himself with people that can get it done, hasn't done all the things you need to do so. It's mostly his fault that he hasn't achieved those things. I'm not in charge of Trump.://www.weltwoche.ch/ausgaben/2018-49/artikel/trump-is-not-capable-die-weltwoche-ausgabe-49-2018.html __________________ Ken Gemmer- Church in Detroit, Church in Fort Lauderdale, Church in Miami 1973-86

12-08-2018, 07:48 PM	#8
ZNPaaneah Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 7,105	Re: CIA and Fake news Engineered coup in Iran because they nationalized BP, coup in Guatemala at request of Chiquita, In 1963 the CIA was working on two other coups, Cuba and Vietnam. In 1973 they helped with the coup in Chile, again on behalf of big business to thwart a socialist regime. This is how the CIA affects foreign policy. CIA had over 400 paid assets working in our Media from the 50s onward. Major influence over 25 newspapers, the wire services and CBS. Today 6 major corporations own over 95% of the media. That is down from over 1,000 in 1963. The name of the Bay of Pigs operation for the CIA was “Zapata” the name of George Bush’s oil company, and the name of one of the boats used by the CIA was “Barbara” the name of his wife. Almost makes you think he was involved. Ford was on the Warren commission. LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Bush (and by extension Reagan) were all the recipients of the spoils of the assassination. Likewise these leaders represent the major corporations that were beneficiaries of CIA policy (Big oil, Brown and Root, etc). As a result of the Bay of Pigs Kennedy said he intended to “break the CIA into a thousand pieces”. He fired some key people. In addition, when he stated that he intended to cut off the intervention in Vietnam that would make the second failure for the CIA and cut off a critical source of income for them. So from that point on JFK was a major threat to the CIA. The Warren commission report includes 20 pages of testimony from Lee Harvey Oswalds’ baby sitter when he was 3 years old and a study of Jack Ruby’s mothers teeth. It was a ridiculous collection of irrelevant garbage. We now know that the authors who wrote independent studies on the assassination (which US publishers would not publish but had to be published in Europe and still became bestsellers anyway — Rush to Judgement, etc), these authors were all put under surveillance by both the FBI and CIA (based on recently released documents). Accessories after the Fact — great book exposing the CIA’s black ops that catalogues and organizes the Warren Commission report. A CIA memo lays out the strategy to discredit the authors and books questioning the official position. __________________ They shall live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God

12-09-2018, 04:34 AM	#9
ZNPaaneah Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 7,105	Re: Evidence of collusion Mueller details how Roger Stone, who the special counsel notes was in frequent contact with Donald Trump and senior campaign officials, directed Corsi to connect with WikiLeaks about the trove of stolen materials it received from Russia. Corsi subsequently communicated WikiLeaks’ release plan back to Stone, and the Trump campaign built its final message around the email release. That is collusion.* Second, we now know that Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen and former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn have provided evidence to Mueller related to collusion. In Cohen’s sentencing memo, Mueller said that Cohen provided his office with “useful information” on “Russia-related matters core to its investigation.” One of those central elements, according to the Justice Department: “any links and/or coordination” between the Kremlin and Trump campaign figures. Collusion, in other words. Third, Mueller has found evidence that Trump was compromised by a hostile foreign power during the election. In his plea deal, Cohen revealed that Trump had repeatedly lied to voters about the then-candidate’s financial ties to Russia. While Trump claimed during the campaign to have no business dealings with Russia, he was negotiating a wildly lucrative business deal not simply with Russian businessmen, but also involving with the Kremlin itself. Trump’s team even reportedly tried to bribe Russian President Vladimir Putin by offering him a $50 million penthouse. Worse, Russia not only knew that Trump was lying, but when investigators first started looking into this deal, the Kremlin helped Trump cover up what really happened. That made Trump doubly compromised: first, because he was eager to get the financial payout and second because Russia had evidence he was lying to the American people—evidence they could have held over Trump by threatening to reveal at any time. __________________ They shall live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God