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[OBW]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

[Persons] ... have a STRONG Pentecostal background. You can hear it when they begin to 'teach' under the anointing.

What exactly does this mean? Does it mean that their teaching is questionable? (Putting teaching in quotes as you did seems to indicate some question about whether it is really teaching.)
Does it mean that they have a "sound" or "way" when they "teach" (again, questionable)?
Does it mean that there is something special about their teaching that can be identified as "anointing"?
Does it mean that the have an anointing sometimes that really comes out?
Does it mean that they have a mannerism in their teaching that is presumed within certain circles to be "anointing"? (Read the last one with and without quotes around the word teaching.)

[aron]

Originally Posted by OBW

Does it mean that they have a mannerism in their teaching that is presumed within certain circles to be "anointing"?

That's how I read it. Some people get into a "sing-songy" cadence when they are teaching. They use volume and speed modulations, and the listeners in the audience go, "Wow, they are in the Spirit", and become more receptive.

This type of delivery is also seen in places that don't emphasize tongues, such as the LCs. So I would call the LCs charismatic, or pentacostal, as well.

It's sort of like, "If I can berate my audience and they don't run for the door, then I can pretty much do what I want. I've got them."

I am guilty of this, occasionally. I love to shout at my listeners. Pacing, arm waving, etc. It is a subconscious impersonation of "the Spirit". Occasionally, it may even be the Spirit. But who knows where the line crosses?

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by aron

That's how I read it. Some people get into a "sing-songy" cadence when they are teaching. They use volume and speed modulations, and the listeners in the audience go, "Wow, they are in the Spirit", and become more receptive.

Ya nailed it on the head Aron.

This type of delivery is also seen in places that don't emphasize tongues, such as the LCs. So I would call the LCs charismatic, or pentacostal, as well.

In labeling the LC, I would label them somewhere in between fundamental, conservative, charismatic but not Pentecostal. just my .02 worth.

It's sort of like, "If I can berate my audience and they don't run for the door, then I can pretty much do what I want. I've got them."

If the message is truly Anointed from God, His Holy Spirit will speak to you and you won't want to leave. The way to know for sure if the message is anointed or just show, depends on how much time a person spends in the Presence of the LORD, meditating on His Word, speaking His Word, studying His Word. This is how we receive the discernment of the Holy Spirit. Remember, many can quote the Word and can be charasmatic in their own right but to discern whether they are truly under the anointing requires discernment.

And we must be very careful that we don't judge or criticize too quickly either. The LSM/LC taught us all to well how to criticize and judge our brethren. Sometimes the LORD will make us sit under someone who is anointed with the Word of God, has character, and integrity but has that Pentecostal song and dance anointing that comes out at times. We will KNOW we must endure because GOD is trying to shed the old wine skin, to burn out the wood, hay and stubble out of us give us to drink from a fresh fountain of living water.

As I continue to walk with God in this journey, I am learning it is ok to keep some things from the LC, some things other brethren do in praise / worship such as lifting up of the hands, clapping, jumping, sometimes simply being quiet. I am learning to listen carefully to the Voice of God.

[OBW]

CMW,

Just making sure I was hearing you right. Seems I was.

Aron,

"Charismatic" tends to mean Pentecostal in terms of religion. But there are many who are charismatic who are not Pentecostal. In the case of the LC, there are some charismatic leaders (and was a specific one in the past) but they are not Pentecostal.

[countmeworthy]

Bingo ! Correcto !

[aron]

Originally Posted by OBW

Aron,

"Charismatic" tends to mean Pentecostal in terms of religion. But there are many who are charismatic who are not Pentecostal. In the case of the LC, there are some charismatic leaders (and was a specific one in the past) but they are not Pentecostal.

Thanks for the correction. I was treating the terms as synonymous.

[YP0534]

Originally Posted by aron

Thanks for the correction. I was treating the terms as synonymous.

And now we know which side of the tracks YOU come from!

[manna-man]

Originally Posted by countmeworthy

As I continue to walk with God in this journey, I am learning it is ok to keep some things from the LC, some things other brethren do in praise / worship such as lifting up of the hands, clapping, jumping, sometimes simply being quiet. I am learning to listen carefully to the Voice of God.

Wow! and Amen Dear Sister!

We should all learn as you are! Let us be open to what God has for us! Whatever it may be! Yes, lets listen Carefully....!

I'm prepared to look foolish and even plain stupid. What ever it takes!!!

Lets stand with stupid and be one with him for most likely we are stupid and need someone to stand with us.

Grace,

Don Jr.

[countmeworthy]

Originally Posted by OBW

What exactly does this mean? Does it mean that their teaching is questionable? (Putting teaching in quotes as you did seems to indicate some question about whether it is really teaching.)

NO. the subject matter is not usually questionable.

Does it mean that they have a "sound" or "way" when they "teach" (again, questionable)?Does it mean that there is something special about their teaching that can be identified as "anointing"?

Yes with explanation. This question is a little more difficult to answer. To those with a Pentecostal background, they will see it as the person speaking under the anointing. To those of us who are not familiar with the song & dance tune that comes upon them, we feel uncomfortable, whether they are the anointing or not.

Think about it in LC terms. To a newbie attending their first/second LC meeting, the reading the scriptures in a unison military tone, and hearing all the strong 'amens', can seem a bit over the top. Most feel uncomfortable at first because they are not used to seeing 'pray', read the scriptures and in one accord know exactly when to resound a loud AMEN. To the LSMrs/LCrs, it's a way of life. Not going through these motions would make them feel like a fish out of water. They're not accustomed to anything else but their way of doing things.

Does it mean that the have an anointing sometimes that really comes out?

Yes. They will begin to feel different and sometimes say they 'feel the anointing.'

Does it mean that they have a mannerism in their teaching that is presumed within certain circles to be "anointing"?

Yes. Rod Parsley and Perry Stone have strong Pentecostal backgrounds. They are fine teachers in their own right. They may be speaking 'normally' and suddenly they are 'overtaken' by a strong Presence of the Lord and they begin to talk faster, their tone of voice changes. After a few minutes of being 'charged up', they 'come down' and speak in a regular tone of voice.

I like Rod Parsley as a Man of God. However I can only take him in very small dosages. When he came to town, after 45 minutes of trying sooo very hard to accept the sing/song drama, I walked out. Perry Stone, who I like a WHOLE LOT is not nearly as bad as Parsley.

I also think it's a 'southern' thing...maybe that's where the phrase 'Southern Gospel' came from.