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[zeek]

Many in the church today should read this, and try to put themselves in the shoes of the mother. It ain't easy.

"I Wish I’d Had A ‘Late-Term Abortion’ Instead Of Having My Daughter"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0a8731aeabbd6

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Many in the church today should read this, and try to put themselves in the shoes of the mother. It ain't easy.

"I Wish I’d Had A ‘Late-Term Abortion’ Instead Of Having My Daughter"

I have a friend who was raped by a black man. She decided to keep the baby. Today that beautiful little girl is all grown up. She is a faithful believer in Christ, married to wonderful Christian, and she now has many beautiful girls of her own.

"What man does for evil, God meant for good, to save many alive." Genesis 50.20

Originally Posted by zeek

Many in the church today should read this!

Agreed!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I have a friend who was raped by a black man. She decided to keep the baby. Today that beautiful little girl is all grown up. She is a faithful believer in Christ, married to wonderful Christian, and she now has many beautiful girls of her own.

"What man does for evil, God meant for good, to save many alive." Genesis 50.20

Agreed!

Pro-lifer's should also be pro-environmentalists and pro-universal health care. Why care about the pre-born and not care about the post-born? That's not really pro-life.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Pro-lifer's should also be pro-environmentalists and pro-universal health care. Why care about the pre-born and not care about the post-born? That's not really pro-life.

And you still believe that the these abortion supporters care for the environment or your healthcare?

How many more years do you plan to live before you see thru their hypocritical facade?

When healthcare is a "right," and jobs are a "right," and housing is a "right," and food is a "right," and abortion is a "right," then we have, by definition, totalitarian socialism, and thus, no more liberties. Sorry is you don't understand this. Please study how socialism has done in countries like Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua. Please study how socialism did in the soviet empire. They too had all of these "rights."

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

And you still believe that the these abortion supporters care for the environment or your healthcare?

How many more years do you plan to live before you see thru their hypocritical facade?

When healthcare is a "right," and jobs are a "right," and housing is a "right," and food is a "right," and abortion is a "right," then we have, by definition, totalitarian socialism, and thus, no more liberties. Sorry is you don't understand this. Please study how socialism has done in countries like Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua. Please study how socialism did in the soviet empire. They too had all of these "rights."

Countries with universal health care include Canada Japan Denmark Finland France Germany Greece Iceland Ireland Italy the Netherlands Norway Sweden Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

And you still believe that the these abortion supporters care for the environment or your healthcare?

How many more years do you plan to live before you see thru their hypocritical facade?

When healthcare is a "right," and jobs are a "right," and housing is a "right," and food is a "right," and abortion is a "right," then we have, by definition, totalitarian socialism, and thus, no more liberties. Sorry is you don't understand this. Please study how socialism has done in countries like Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua. Please study how socialism did in the soviet empire. They too had all of these "rights."

Universal healthcare makes sense, to those who are paying for it. Who wants the person on the bus, or the train, or at your kids school, or at the McDonald's etc. to have some contagious disease like Tuberculosis which they can't treat because they don't have insurance. It is the same reason that fire departments put out fires regardless of whether or not the homeowner is up to date on their taxes.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Universal healthcare makes sense, to those who are paying for it. Who wants the person on the bus, or the train, or at your kids school, or at the McDonald's etc. to have some contagious disease like Tuberculosis which they can't treat because they don't have insurance. It is the same reason that fire departments put out fires regardless of whether or not the homeowner is up to date on their taxes.

This same arguement could be made by those who want to close the border to illegals.

Did anyone ever think that, under our current policies, every deadly disease mankind has ever faced will end up on the border seeking free healthcare?

And it's already happening in LA.

[Sons to Glory!]

Brothers discussing politics - now there's a life-giving proposition!

Just curious, has the book "Blinded by Might - Why the Religious Right can't Save America" ever been discussed on here? The authors, Cal Thomas and Ed Dobson were deeply involved with politics, Reagan and the Moral Majority. But then they got light.

An excerpt from the Amazon summary of the book:

Former insiders with the Moral Majority, they share never-reported information on a movement they helped shape in order to show why it could not and did not succeed. And they tell what it will really take to stem the ungodliness that is sweeping our nation. 'Whenever the church cozies up to political power, it loses sight of its all important mission to change the world from the inside out,' writes Thomas. In blurring the lines between politics and Christianity, the Religious Right has traded the only power that can truly change America - the Gospel's power to transform hearts - for the methods of a kingdom that is of this world. What, then, is the alternative? Given such critical issues as abortion, gay activism, are Christians to simply disengage from the political process? Hardly. uninvolvement is not the answer, say the authors, but a shift in perspective. As Christians, they insist we must realize that God's agenda does not rise or fall with political causes; and that we must rediscover our most potent influence is not the ballot booth, but lives that extend God's grace in the home, in the workplace, and in all spheres of our culture. Blinded by Might calls us to realign ourselves with a kingdom infinitely more powerful and certain than politics, that advances initially through changed hearts that inevitably must change and impart government."

Anyone read this or has it been brought up on here? It was an eye-opening book for many believers who were all wrapped around the political axle, and thought that was how things were to be changed.

As Jesus famously said, "Apart from Me, you can do NOTHING!"

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Universal healthcare makes sense, to those who are paying for it. Who wants the person on the bus, or the train, or at your kids school, or at the McDonald's etc. to have some contagious disease like Tuberculosis which they can't treat because they don't have insurance. It is the same reason that fire departments put out fires regardless of whether or not the homeowner is up to date on their taxes.

I'm for universal healthcare. The same quality of care that our politicians get.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

And you still believe that the these abortion supporters care for the environment or your healthcare?

How many more years do you plan to live before you see thru their hypocritical facade?

When healthcare is a "right," and jobs are a "right," and housing is a "right," and food is a "right," and abortion is a "right," then we have, by definition, totalitarian socialism, and thus, no more liberties. Sorry is you don't understand this. Please study how socialism has done in countries like Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua. Please study how socialism did in the soviet empire. They too had all of these "rights."

So screw the post-born. I think we should stop procreating, if we condemn them to poison water (Flint) and air, and then don't provide heath care when they fall ill. Is that your pro-life stance? Seems hypocritical.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

So screw the post-born. I think we should stop procreating, if we condemn them to poison water (Flint) and air, and then don't provide heath care when they fall ill. Is that your pro-life stance? Seems hypocritical.

How in the world is anyone supposed to respond to such extreme rhetoric?

Is this how the pro-abortion movement responds to socialist push back?

[ZNPaaneah]

The US govt seizes about $350 million per year being smuggled across the Mexican border, a form of money laundering for drug dealers.

This money should go towards border security with the broadest understanding of the term. So if a LA police dept is involved in the bust that involvement should be viewed as part of our "border security" and some of the money should go to that dept.

If a car is driving across the border with $30 million in cash in vacuum sealed bags then they are driving from point A (where the money was bagged) to point B (the drug supplier in Mexico). That by definition is a conspiracy and allows us to use RICO which in turns allows us to go after all assets and retrieve 5x's the amount tied to crimes. This is the basis for seizing El Chapo's $14 billion. So, there is plenty of money out there to fund border security paid for by the criminals.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Pro-lifer's should also be pro-environmentalists and pro-universal health care. Why care about the pre-born and not care about the post-born? That's not really pro-life.

I am all three. I believe the Bible is too. Man was placed to tend and care for the garden, and concerning the health care the Bible says if a man doesn't want to work neither should he eat. Nothing about keeping him from having basic healthcare. I think there is plenty in the NT to lay the ground work for a universal healthcare (Basic medicare for all citizens).