Whistleblower

[Drake]

Originally Posted by JLBW

Oh....anyone know what happened to Drake? I was waiting for that help he offered.....you know, for healing and recompense?? Maybe he's too busy now?��

JLBW,

I'm here.

The help you seek will not be found by surrounding yourself with enablers who cheer you on to relive your traumatic experience. Neither is there healing in accusing others who would be just as appalled as I am at what happened to you based on your testimony here. Rather, you should trust in the Lord to guide you in the practical steps to heal, and that might include a confrontation.... and sometimes closure can only be had by justice meted out by the authorities that He has set up for that purpose. Sorry, I have no money for you. It is in the courts where personal damage is assessed in monetary terms. If you have the peace before the Lord then pursue that and find a lawyer who operates on a contingency fee if cash flow is an issue.

Do what He tells you. He is the Healer.

Drake

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Drake

The help you seek will not be found by surrounding yourself with enablers who cheer you on to relive your traumatic experience.

"Enablers?"

So, if we support and encourage a sister who has been sexually abused by a religious leader in a domineering religious organization, which we know has indoctrinated its followers (she being one) to be intimidated by and cower from the very thought of challenging said leaders--some of whom are those very sexual abusers!--then it is we who are "enablers?"

But, if said domineering religious movement shuffles around those very sexual abusers and victims like checkers on the grand checkerboard of their whacked-out plan, never punishing the guilty or affording justice to the victims, what are they? Are they not enablers?

I appreciate your soft words to the sister, disingenuous though they may be. But, as usual, you have missed the mountain for the molehill.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Igzy

"Enablers?"

So, if we support and encourage a sister who has been sexually abused by a religious leader in a domineering religious organization, which we know has indoctrinated its followers (she being one) to be intimidated by and cower from the very thought of challenging said leaders--some of whom are those very sexual abusers!--then it is we who are "enablers?"

But, if said domineering religious movement shuffles around those very sexual abusers and victims like checkers on the grand checkerboard of their whacked-out plan, never punishing the guilty or affording justice to the victims, what are they? Are they not enablers?

I appreciate your soft words to the sister, disingenuous though they may be. But, as usual, you have missed the mountain for the molehill.

Too bad the all wise Drake could not provide comfort to the Blendeds who got their feelings hurt by Heritage House. Perhaps Drake could have comforted them, and saved the saints all that money when they took their lawsuit all the way to the SCOTUS.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Too bad the all wise Drake could not provide comfort to the Blendeds who got their feelings hurt by Heritage House. Perhaps Drake could have comforted them, and saved the saints all that money when they took their lawsuit all the way to the SCOTUS.

Harvest House?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Nell

Harvest House?

Yeah, thanks.

LSM’s unsuccessful litigation against Harvest House regarding the Encyclopedia of Cults & New Religions by John Ankerberg & John Weldon.

[Cal]

I'm struck as to how the LSM BBs can swing their weight far and wide amongst the LC churches, thumping their chests and overstepping their bounds to discipline and fire elders and shut down churches for perceived infractions--anything from not buying enough printed materials, to speaking unapproved teachings, to using unapproved music. But when a leader sexually abuses a sister, they suddenly fall silent and impotent. No indignation. No chest thumping. No proclamations. No websites. No justice for the injured. Just fecklessness, excuse making and sheepish relocation.

Obviously, Lee set the precedent by trying to cover up his sons sins. So now it's standard practice, the fruit of "follow Lee, right or wrong!" Shameful!

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Igzy

I'm struck as to how the LSM BBs can swing their weight far and wide amongst the LC churches, thumping their chests and overstepping their bounds to discipline and fire elders and shut down churches for perceived infractions--anything from not buying enough printed materials, to speaking unapproved teachings, to using unapproved music. But when a leader sexually abuses a sister, they suddenly fall silent and impotent. No indignation. No chest thumping. No proclamations. No websites. No justice for the injured. Just fecklessness, excuse making and sheepish relocation.

Obviously, Lee set the precedent by trying to cover up his sons sins. So now it's standard practice, the fruit of "follow Lee, right or wrong!" Shameful!

This is exactly how it's done:

Hope: #103

Regarding Ben McPhersons immorality, this is the report from a first hand witness: Ray Graver was the first to know. He contacted Benson Phillips who called for an urgent gathering at his home with Ray, Joe Davis of Houston, Don Looper of Austin and Don Rutledge of Dallas. This occurred the morning after Ben was found out. All the brothers there were furious. Don Rutledge angrily declared that they had all been betrayed. All agreed that Ben should be publicly excommunicated and publicly rebuked that all may fear. All agreed that the Lord could not bless the church in Irving due to Ben’s sin. Ben had confessed to Ray that this sin was not a one time thing but had been going on for some time including when he was in Arlington. Ben also admitted that he knew the Church in Arlington had lagged (behind) the other Dallas area churches in blessing due to his sin. At that time, none of these brothers would sympathize with any immorality and especially from an elder or co-worker.

While they were meeting, Witness Lee...

You don't have to read any further. But I would add to the list of sinful behavior by these elders: cowardice, ambition and idol worship of Witness Lee.

Nell

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Drake

JLBW,

I'm here.

The help you seek will not be found by surrounding yourself with enablers who cheer you on to relive your traumatic experience. Neither is there healing in accusing others who would be just as appalled as I am at what happened to you based on your testimony here. Rather, you should trust in the Lord to guide you in the practical steps to heal, and that might include a confrontation.... and sometimes closure can only be had by justice meted out by the authorities that He has set up for that purpose. Sorry, I have no money for you. It is in the courts where personal damage is assessed in monetary terms. If you have the peace before the Lord then pursue that and find a lawyer who operates on a contingency fee if cash flow is an issue.

Do what He tells you. He is the Healer.

Drake

Not bad though....Did you find that with Google?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Nell

Not bad though....Did you find that with Google?

The heart.

[Nell]

Originally Posted by Drake

The heart.

Whose heart?

[JLBW]

Maybe I should clarify? I'm good Drake. These enablers are helping me to speak out about abuse and that has set me free from a dark and lonely place. They are the real saints of God who have left a system of lawlessness that coversup sin. You have chosen to remain and I'd ask that you do something to protect all the sisters that are still meeting. How do you plan to not be accountable for the sin of your leaders now that you know it's current and ongoing? We all will answer for our choices. My choice to leave is my choice to stand against the sin. I still love the body but I'll never be ok with sin in my midst!
I pray you find the voice to call out the BBs about their complicity with sin. That would be a huge benefit to the LC. Maybe pray about that.
As for me , I'm living untothe Lord. I'm not wallowing in sadness. And no one on this board has discouraged me from that. Much to the contrary❤
Since you didn't want to know details I suppose you feel this has nothing to do with you. But Im not sure how the Lord feels....maybe check with Him. Are you accountable now that you know?

[Nell]

Originally Posted by JLBW

Maybe I should clarify? I'm good Drake. These enablers are helping me to speak out about abuse and that has set me free from a dark and lonely place. They are the real saints of God who have left a system of lawlessness that coversup sin. You have chosen to remain and I'd ask that you do something to protect all the sisters that are still meeting. How do you plan to not be accountable for the sin of your leaders now that you know it's current and ongoing? We all will answer for our choices. My choice to leave is my choice to stand against the sin. I still love the body but I'll never be ok with sin in my midst!
I pray you find the voice to call out the BBs about their complicity with sin. That would be a huge benefit to the LC. Maybe pray about that.
As for me , I'm living untothe Lord. I'm not wallowing in sadness. And no one on this board has discouraged me from that. Much to the contrary❤
Since you didn't want to know details I suppose you feel this has nothing to do with you. But Im not sure how the Lord feels....maybe check with Him. Are you accountable now that you know?

Amen and amen.

Nell