The Wild, Wild MidWest - All things Great Lakes Area and Canada

Testing123 · 07-21-2008, 01:34 PM

GTCA (Gospelize, Truthize, and Churchize America) has officially been launched! Applications forms are now available for "migration" Champaign, IL and Columbus, OH!

http://gtca.us/

http://www.churchinChampaign.org/Home.html

http://www.churchincolumbus.org/gtca/

countmeworthy · 07-21-2008, 06:09 PM

Regarding Columbus, Ohio.........they gonna have to do some serious 'truthizing & churchizing'

there 'cause Rod Parsley & his World Harvest church have a big chunk of the 'ground' in Columbus, Ohio.

Sorrrrrrrry. I couldn't resist.

For those who don't know...Rod Parsley is one of many TV Evangelists & has a huge following. I don't personally follow his ministry. There are SOME good things about it but overall, it's not my cup of Tee.

Only by Grace · 07-21-2008, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Testing123

GTCA (Gospelize, Truthize, and Churchize America) has officially been launched! Applications forms are now available for "migration" Champaign, IL and Columbus, OH!

http://gtca.us/

http://www.churchinChampaign.org/Home.html

http://www.churchincolumbus.org/gtca/

Gospelizing, Truthizing and Churchizing America (GTCA) is a present move of the Lord in His recovery to practically carry out the burden and responsibility to preach the gospel of the kingdom, to teach the high peak truths, and to establish local churches in every city, town and village in America.

Gosh, I thought the Urbana, Illinois campus...the longtime (until they could no longer accommodate 20,000 attendees) home of the Urbana! student mission conference sponsored by Intervaristy Christian Fellowship every three years (see www.urbana.org) was already gospelized, truthized, churchized and even missionized!

Advice to the PR campaign folks who wrote this stuff...if you don't want to sound...well, minimally silly and maximumly scary...just say you want to plant some of your brand of churches next to the hundreds of other churches in the area...rather than announcing that you're God's gift to Urbana...It seems that God has already mightily blessed this campus and tremendously gifted this area with LOTS of Christians eager to preach the gospel all around the world! Praise Him for that and thank God for Urbana and the intervarsity ministry that already has such a presence on campus!

Shawn · 07-22-2008, 08:13 AM

http://www.churchincolumbus.org/gtca/

I checked out the Church in Columbus site; No verses, only quotes from the ministry... how sad.

Shawn

Old Rasputin · 07-22-2008, 02:49 PM

Thanks for the link, Shawn. The application is bizarre. Have they changed that much or have I? A qualification for spreading the gospel is being raised in the church life? Man, they aren't even hiding it anymore.

finallyprettyokay · 07-22-2008, 03:40 PM

From the first link:

Paying a Price to Gain the Typical Americans
Published by raquel at 9:57 am under Ministry

After the recovery spreads to a certain nation, it should reach the typical local people. America was built up by the Caucasians. The recovery in the United States should reach the Caucasian people. If we cannot do this or we would not do this, we will suffer a big deficiency. God is not a respecter of persons (Acts 10:34)….Recently, I had a thought deep within me that the reason we have gained so few Caucasians in recent years might be because in our meetings we have a high percentage of people of other races. We do not practice the separation of the races as some denominations do. Nevertheless, because this is the United States, the majority of the saints in the churches in this country should be Caucasian. The other races should be a minority. If the percentage of those of other races in the meetings is too high, it will be difficult for the Caucasian people to be attracted to the recovery. Therefore, we must find a way to get into the Caucasian community. We are healthy in our teaching, but we are not healthy in our practice. We must reconsider our situation. I would like to pay some price to gain the Caucasian people. All the Caucasian brothers and sisters need to be burdened and consider so that they may be enabled by the Lord to find a way (Fellowship Concerning the Urgent Need of the Vital Groups, pp. 3-4).

This is just insane. Insane.

Old Rasputin · 07-22-2008, 04:33 PM

I think the problem isn't the Chinese faces; it's the Chinese culture. These guys don't like your average, typical, white (or black) Americans, and it shows.

Either way, wanting more white faces in your meetings is just spiritual affirmative action. Reaching out to your neighbors in love is more effective.

YP0534 · 07-22-2008, 04:39 PM

FPO:

In case you didn't get it, this is a direct quote from Lee, as cited.

Here's the gem that immediately precedes it...

Quote:

RECONSIDERING OUR WAY

We need to take Haggai's word and consider our ways (Hag. 1:5, 7). We—especially the elders and the co-workers—need to reconsider our church life and our work. We need to consider what has been the result of our living day by day. We cannot allow ourselves to continue in our present way.

In the new localities in Southern California, the rate of increase was high initially. However, I found out that when the number attending the meetings in a locality reached one hundred, the rate of increase slowed considerably because the brothers there did not know how to go on. In the beginning they practiced the group meetings spontaneously, because the number was small. But gradually they grew out of the practice of the groups into the practice of having big meetings. The increase in those localities was reduced because they had only the big meetings without the proper group meetings.

I have given a number of messages presenting the principles and the detailed instructions on the practice of the group meetings, but until now I have not given you the steps on how to form the groups. I have been expecting day after day, month after month, and year after year for seven and a half years to see some of you rise up to do something organically to form the groups. However, I have not seen the result that I had hoped to see. Therefore, I feel burdened that I myself need to do something.

Witness Lee, Fellowship Concerning the Urgent Need of the Vital Groups

This has apparently been the substance of the teaching since around 1991.

Difficult to do, but this has left me speechless...

djohnson(XLCmember) · 07-22-2008, 05:22 PM

The reason the LCS doesn't have much increase especially in southern California is simple: most of their increase comes from Christians and Christians in southern California and esp leaders are well aware of the lawsuits and crazy behavior of Lee and his followers against them in calling them the whore, mocking their teachers, etc. Their arrogance is well known.

And I would also suggest that Christians in southern California tend to have their antenna up about cultic behavior. The one publication, one minister of the age thing...uh...I don't thing so!

Shawn · 07-22-2008, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Rasputin

Thanks for the link, Shawn. The application is bizarre. Have they changed that much or have I? A qualification for spreading the gospel is being raised in the church life? Man, they aren't even hiding it anymore.

I'll pass your appreciation on to Only By Grace, who was the source of my link!

Whoops! OBGreceived it from Testing123, sorry!

Blessings to you,

Shawn

Noah Body · 09-21-2008, 06:23 PM

The columbus website says that the GTCA starts 8/9/08.
Well here it is 09/21/08 and the result is probably the same as always for their "moves" of God. Either nothing or very little. Anybody have anything to report on their "success"?

07-21-2008, 01:34 PM	#1
Testing123 Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 36	GTCA - Champaign, IL and Columbus, OH GTCA (Gospelize, Truthize, and Churchize America) has officially been launched! Applications forms are now available for "migration" Champaign, IL and Columbus, OH! http://gtca.us/ http://www.churchinChampaign.org/Home.html http://www.churchincolumbus.org/gtca/

07-21-2008, 06:09 PM	#2
countmeworthy Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: in Spirit & in Truth Posts: 1,378	Regarding Columbus, Ohio.........they gonna have to do some serious 'truthizing & churchizing' there 'cause Rod Parsley & his World Harvest church have a big chunk of the 'ground' in Columbus, Ohio. *Sorrrrrrrry.* I couldn't resist. For those who don't know...Rod Parsley is one of many TV Evangelists & has a huge following. I don't personally follow his ministry. There are SOME good things about it but overall, it's not my cup of Tee. __________________ Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be *accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass,* and to stand before the Son of man. (Luke 21:36)

07-22-2008, 05:22 PM	#9
djohnson(XLCmember) Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 318	The reason the LCS doesn't have much increase especially in southern California is simple: most of their increase comes from Christians and Christians in southern California and esp leaders are well aware of the lawsuits and crazy behavior of Lee and his followers against them in calling them the whore, mocking their teachers, etc. Their arrogance is well known. And I would also suggest that Christians in southern California tend to have their antenna up about cultic behavior. The one publication, one minister of the age thing...uh...I don't thing so! __________________ My greatest joy is knowing Jesus Christ!

09-21-2008, 06:23 PM	#11
Noah Body Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2	Re: GTCA - Champaign, IL and Columbus, OH The columbus website says that the GTCA starts 8/9/08. Well here it is 09/21/08 and the result is probably the same as always for their "moves" of God. Either nothing or very little. Anybody have anything to report on their "success"?

07-22-2008, 08:13 AM	#4
Shawn Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 54	http://www.churchincolumbus.org/gtca/ I checked out the Church in Columbus site; No verses, only quotes from the ministry... how sad. Shawn

07-22-2008, 02:49 PM	#5
Old Rasputin Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 28	Thanks for the link, Shawn. The application is bizarre. Have they changed that much or have I? A qualification for spreading the gospel is being raised in the church life? Man, they aren't even hiding it anymore.

07-22-2008, 03:40 PM	#6
finallyprettyokay Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 129	From the first link: Paying a Price to Gain the Typical Americans Published by raquel at 9:57 am under Ministry After the recovery spreads to a certain nation, it should reach the typical local people. America was built up by the Caucasians. The recovery in the United States should reach the Caucasian people. If we cannot do this or we would not do this, we will suffer a big deficiency. God is not a respecter of persons (Acts 10:34)….Recently, I had a thought deep within me that the reason we have gained so few Caucasians in recent years might be because in our meetings we have a high percentage of people of other races. We do not practice the separation of the races as some denominations do. Nevertheless, because this is the United States, the majority of the saints in the churches in this country should be Caucasian. The other races should be a minority. If the percentage of those of other races in the meetings is too high, it will be difficult for the Caucasian people to be attracted to the recovery. Therefore, we must find a way to get into the Caucasian community. We are healthy in our teaching, but we are not healthy in our practice. We must reconsider our situation. I would like to pay some price to gain the Caucasian people. All the Caucasian brothers and sisters need to be burdened and consider so that they may be enabled by the Lord to find a way (Fellowship Concerning the Urgent Need of the Vital Groups, pp. 3-4). This is just insane. Insane.

07-22-2008, 04:33 PM	#7
Old Rasputin Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 28	I think the problem isn't the Chinese faces; it's the Chinese culture. These guys don't like your average, typical, white (or black) Americans, and it shows. Either way, wanting more white faces in your meetings is just spiritual affirmative action. Reaching out to your neighbors in love is more effective.