Co-workers In The Lord’s Recovery Declare Themselves as APOSTLES!

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by Trapped

Pshhh who needs to be called a lowly apostle when you have already claimed for your self the position of being THE ONLY PERSON ON EARTH THROUGH WHOM GOD IS SPEAKING WHAT ACTUALLY MATTERS AND IF OTHERS DON'T LINE UP WITH YOU THEY ARE REJECTING GOD. (see "The Vision of the Age" book)

I mean.....think about what kind of whacked out mentality a person has to have to make that claim. Geez, no wonder so many church kids are loopy having grown up hearing what a person like that says constantly throughout their formative years. And no wonder the co-workers are claiming apostleship for themselves.....look at the example of the guy they are following!

I think that aside from what is or isn't spoken, people in the LC already perceive things a certain way. What I mean is that before WL ever declared himself as God's oracle, he was already perceived that way. Before the blendeds ever declared themselves to be apostles, they were already held in that regard. Likewise, before there was ever any controversy over whether or not LSM was a headquarters, it was already recognized as such.

When these articles get put out, they really aren't fooling anyone, including those in the LC. It is simply propaganda telling people what to believe. Whether it is out of fear or it is out of stupidity, LCers choose to believe what they are told.

[UntoHim]

Good points Freedom.

Actually, there is more than enough evidence that Lee considered himself God's oracle on earth way back to the early days in Taiwan. He was hiring and firing elders and even co-workers at his personal whim back in the 50s and 60s. It was only the language, cultural and religious barriers (some of which were probably set up by Lee himself) that kept us gullible Americans from knowing the real Witness Lee right from the beginning. In today's information age, he would have never gotten away with it.

As for the matter of headquarters, well the simple fact was that wherever Witness Lee was, that was the headquarters of the Local Church. When he was in LA, the headquarters was Elden Hall. When he moved to Anaheim, that became the headquarters.
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[Freedom]

LC history indicates that at some point WN assumed a position of authority. WL likewise. After WL died, the blendeds claimed to be his 'continuation'. It seems that no one ever really thought to question these assertions of authority, they just accepted it. By the time WL was hiring and firing elders, people had already gotten to the point where they accepted WL's decisions as final.

Even among all those who left the LC, the real questioning came after the fact, sometimes after years of having accepting the status quo. When the blendeds now present themselves as apostles, I think our immediate response is "says who?" They don't like that questioning because within the LC, no one dares to question them. But it's a valid question and one that should be asked right off the bat.

I mentioned already that the larger Christian community doesn't recognize any of them as apostles. Why is that? Maybe because they aren't? After all, their whole claim to fame is their association with WL and being the current torch-bearers of LSM. Well, if that it, then they still haven't even so much as established any kind of credibility as true apostles.