In the Wake of the New Way

Curious · 02-19-2020, 05:35 PM

Thank you to you all for your prompt responses. They are very good to help fill out the picture.

So, the message is, submission is not the real answer, although it was emphasised by WL. (In fact I read in their writings somewhere that a person with a mature spiritual life should enter a room and immediately ask who to submit to….) but doing so faithfully and diligently can leave you shunned, which means quarantined, which is LC speak for excommunicated.

What a wise master builder at work in this schema!! (master destroyer maybe?)

So WL was a master at double-speak, hidden meanings, passive-aggressive behavior. Unhealthy and devious communication methods. The real skill required is to join in this game playing. That is what God values and requires of those He would endorse and promote? What a destructive mess it became, persecuting the Godly ones….psalm 31:30 ‘charm is deceptive’ is often applied to women as in its context. Yet ‘charm’ itself is not the sole trait of women. The confusion WL generated is another one warned against in the bible.

The reason I tell bible stories from my own, particular point of view is that I believe that the bible, as the divinely appointed word of God, has things to say which are of support and comfort to those who have been mistreated. Most scholars who have interpreted the bible for us have not been those who have suffered significant injustice, they are usually persons with scholarly status and authority in the church. They are not bad, but just insensitive to such concerns, and we all see the bible through the lens of our own experiences. Its unavoidable. And God just may be in that.

My hope is to restore faith that God is on the side of justice, which is promised over and over again in the bible. To have a look at these and other accounts restore hope in a just God to those whose hearts are aching for justice. That’s my purpose anyway, and I don't think anything I’ve written contradicts any of the details in scripture, actually, though may contradict other interpretations out there.

I had the thought that Solomon’s son was harsh and cruel, explicitly so. The LC is rigid. It may seem unfair that I equate being rigid as being harsh to the end of being cruel. But anything truly strong is flexible and needs to be. Our backbone for example. If it was rigid, not flexible then that would be very harsh on our limbs and head. Imagine the inflamation it would cause to the rest of our body trying to move about, having to adapt to reality around it without any help from the spine!

An aeroplane wing flexes, while necessarily strong. If it was rigid it could not respond to the air outside and would not work. (though a bit scary to look at it flexing from inside the plane!!!). A pane of glass is strong and rigid, yet it is brittle, as aron has said in another post, (the rigid system of the LC is actually very brittle), If it breaks it shatters completely. Yet a blade of grass is flexible enough to survive being trampled on.

‘Am I a pane of glass or a blade of grass’? that’s just another one of my little self-taught sayings. (Obviously we need boundaries and our own absolutes too. They just need to be thought-out and thoughtfully, consciously applied wise ones that consider others and truth, and are open for improvement and adaptation, according to our own growth in maturity).

In conclusion then, I am saying that rigid IS harsh, even if not presented so.

It saddens me as to what Steve Isitt experienced. For being upright, truthful and concerned in love. I hope he has experienced God’s restoration and pleasure in him for his sacrifice. I believe it all does truly, help us to understand Jesus better, and the walk He walked, and betrayals He experienced, for our sakes. Whatever deepens our faith becomes part of our eternal reward.

02-19-2020, 05:35 PM	#16
Curious Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 186	Re: In the Wake of the New Way Thank you to you all for your prompt responses. They are very good to help fill out the picture. So, the message is, submission is not the real answer, although it was emphasised by WL. (In fact I read in their writings somewhere that a person with a mature spiritual life should enter a room and immediately ask who to submit to….) but doing so faithfully and diligently can leave you shunned, which means quarantined, which is LC speak for excommunicated. What a wise master builder at work in this schema!! (master destroyer maybe?) So WL was a master at double-speak, hidden meanings, passive-aggressive behavior. Unhealthy and devious communication methods. The real skill required is to join in this game playing. That is what God values and requires of those He would endorse and promote? What a destructive mess it became, persecuting the Godly ones….psalm 31:30 ‘charm is deceptive’ is often applied to women as in its context. Yet ‘charm’ itself is not the sole trait of women. The confusion WL generated is another one warned against in the bible. The reason I tell bible stories from my own, particular point of view is that I believe that the bible, as the divinely appointed word of God, has things to say which are of support and comfort to those who have been mistreated. Most scholars who have interpreted the bible for us have not been those who have suffered significant injustice, they are usually persons with scholarly status and authority in the church. They are not bad, but just insensitive to such concerns, and we all see the bible through the lens of our own experiences. Its unavoidable. And God just may be in that. My hope is to restore faith that God is on the side of justice, which is promised over and over again in the bible. To have a look at these and other accounts restore hope in a just God to those whose hearts are aching for justice. That’s my purpose anyway, and I don't think anything I’ve written contradicts any of the details in scripture, actually, though may contradict other interpretations out there. I had the thought that Solomon’s son was harsh and cruel, explicitly so. The LC is rigid. It may seem unfair that I equate being rigid as being harsh to the end of being cruel. But anything truly strong is flexible and needs to be. Our backbone for example. If it was rigid, not flexible then that would be very harsh on our limbs and head. Imagine the inflamation it would cause to the rest of our body trying to move about, having to adapt to reality around it without any help from the spine! An aeroplane wing flexes, while necessarily strong. If it was rigid it could not respond to the air outside and would not work. (though a bit scary to look at it flexing from inside the plane!!!). A pane of glass is strong and rigid, yet it is brittle, as aron has said in another post, (the rigid system of the LC is actually very brittle), If it breaks it shatters completely. Yet a blade of grass is flexible enough to survive being trampled on. ‘Am I a pane of glass or a blade of grass’? that’s just another one of my little self-taught sayings. (Obviously we need boundaries and our own absolutes too. They just need to be thought-out and thoughtfully, consciously applied wise ones that consider others and truth, and are open for improvement and adaptation, according to our own growth in maturity). In conclusion then, I am saying that rigid IS harsh, even if not presented so. It saddens me as to what Steve Isitt experienced. For being upright, truthful and concerned in love. I hope he has experienced God’s restoration and pleasure in him for his sacrifice. I believe it all does truly, help us to understand Jesus better, and the walk He walked, and betrayals He experienced, for our sakes. Whatever deepens our faith becomes part of our eternal reward.