Boxjobox on modalism

[Boxjobox]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

"Great is the mystery of godliness; God was manifested in the flesh . . ."

"For God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself."

"To the Son He says, 'Your throne, oh God, is forever and ever.'"

"And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, He says, 'Let all the angels of God worship Him.'"

(1 Tim 3:16, 2 Cor 5:19, Heb 1:8,6)

Yes, God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself.

On the Your throne quote, you left out most of the verse, it is

“Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever,
and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness
and hated wickedness;
therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
above Your companions with the oil of joy.”g

God's throne does endure for ever..and God, the God of our Lord Jesus did anoint him and gave him as a reward for his work of salvation, the reign over His kingdom. If you only include the 1st part, you would think that part is referring to Jesus. You have to read the whole thing to grasp it. In fact, if you read the whole 1st chapter of Hebrews it really gives an impressive view of God and his Christ and the work of God. Quite similar to what Paul prays we would all see in Ephesians.

You know, of course that Paul told Timothythat there is one God and one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.. we definitely see godliness manifested in this man- Thank God for that!

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Boxjobox

Yes, God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself.

On the Your throne quote, you left out most of the verse, it is

“Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever,
and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness
and hated wickedness;
therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
above Your companions with the oil of joy.”g

God's throne does endure for ever..and God, the God of our Lord Jesus did anoint him and gave him as a reward for his work of salvation, the reign over His kingdom. If you only include the 1st part, you would think that part is referring to Jesus. You have to read the whole thing to grasp it. In fact, if you read the whole 1st chapter of Hebrews it really gives an impressive view of God and his Christ and the work of God. Quite similar to what Paul prays we would all see in Ephesians.

You know, of course that Paul told Timothythat there is one God and one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.. we definitely see godliness manifested in this man- Thank God for that!

And the point of all this is, I think, that yes (once again) - it is a mystery! If we could grasp God, then He wouldn't be God, would He? Sorry, but for every verse you might put up, I can likely do a verse showing Christ's deity. So where does that leave us?

Like the Armenians and Calvinists, they hold to just their set of scriptures that seems to neatly reinforce their side of the picture. I always like to say when someone asks, "Is this side right or that side right?" "They both are." Can I tie a neat little bow around it and say, "I've got it all figured out!"? Nope, can't do that with my limited, human mentality.

It's kinda like John Locke is quoted as saying: "I cannot fathom the mystery of a single flower; Neither was it intended that I should!"

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

And the point of all this is, I think, that yes (once again) - it is a mystery! If we could grasp God, then He wouldn't be God, would He? Sorry, but for every verse you might put up, I can likely do a verse showing Christ's deity. So where does that leave us?

Like the Armenians and Calvinists, they hold to just their set of scriptures that seems to neatly reinforce their side of the picture. I always like to say when someone asks, "Is this side right or that side right?" "They both are." Can I tie a neat little bow around it and say, "I've got it all figured out!"? Nope, can't do that with my limited, human mentality.

It's kinda like John Locke is quoted as saying: "I cannot fathom the mystery of a single flower; Neither was it intended that I should!"

Amen and Amen and Amen and Amen and Amen and Amen!

[Boxjobox]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

And the point of all this is, I think, that yes (once again) - it is a mystery! If we could grasp God, then He wouldn't be God, would He? Sorry, but for every verse you might put up, I can likely do a verse showing Christ's deity. So where does that leave us?

Like the Armenians and Calvinists, they hold to just their set of scriptures that seems to neatly reinforce their side of the picture. I always like to say when someone asks, "Is this side right or that side right?" "They both are." Can I tie a neat little bow around it and say, "I've got it all figured out!"? Nope, can't do that with my limited, human mentality.

It's kinda like John Locke is quoted as saying: "I cannot fathom the mystery of a single flower; Neither was it intended that I should!"

A mystery- ok, but that’s all the reason more to take what is clearly taught in the NT by the Holy Spirit. Which is one God the Father, one Lord Jesus Christ. If we stick to this as Paul beseeches the Ephesians to do, we are blessed. Moving away from this to a man made concept only brings division and confusion

Since the Spirit, the apostles and Jesus teach this, we should not deviate.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by Boxjobox

A mystery- ok, but that’s all the reason more to take what is clearly taught in the NT by the Holy Spirit. Which is one God the Father, one Lord Jesus Christ. If we stick to this as Paul beseeches the Ephesians to do, we are blessed. Moving away from this to a man made concept only brings division and confusion

Since the Spirit, the apostles and Jesus teach this, we should not deviate.

And so we have clarity (which is good) - we disagree. To take one side of this and not the other, is to be a cake unturned. You see turning the cake (for both sides) as a compromise - I see one side of the cake getting really burned.