Boxjobox on modalism

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by Boxjobox

I’ll probably get slammed for this, but have you considered Satan, how he knows thoughts, hearts, lives in people, is the power of the air, that the whole world is under his control in some sort of way? Yet he is a created entity and NOT God.

Satan does not know our thoughts. He does not live in people, except maybe entering one at a time like Judas. He is a limited being. He is not omnipresent. The world is under his control because he has legions of his cronies everywhere.

[Boxjobox]

Originally Posted by Trapped

Satan does not know our thoughts. He does not live in people, except maybe entering one at a time like Judas. He is a limited being. He is not omnipresent. The world is under his control because he has legions of his cronies everywhere.

I would check with the Christians who seem to feel he is in our flesh, directs many thoughts, and all the world lies in this hand. So, really, if you think about it, Paul gets into what we were before salvation in Ephesians and talks quite plainly about the evil one in an overwhelming way. The fallen flesh of man is a large topic as well in the scripture. The influence of the evil one seems to be a lot more pervasive than one soul at a time!

My point being Jesus is the Christ, that overcame the world, and the evil one and was given by God all authority in heaven and earth. Given is the key word here. Paul prays that we see this

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by Boxjobox

I would check with the Christians who seem to feel he is in our flesh, directs many thoughts, and all the world lies in this hand. So, really, if you think about it, Paul gets into what we were before salvation in Ephesians and talks quite plainly about the evil one in an overwhelming way. The fallen flesh of man is a large topic as well in the scripture. The influence of the evil one seems to be a lot more pervasive than one soul at a time!

My point being Jesus is the Christ, that overcame the world, and the evil one and was given by God all authority in heaven and earth. Given is the key word here. Paul prays that we see this

I don't care if some Christians feel Satan is in our flesh. He is not.

Sin dwells in us. Satan doesn't.

Satan can influence our thoughts. But he doesn't know our thoughts.

All the world lies in his hand. But he's not everywhere in the world.

The fallen flesh is something different than "Satan living in people".

[Boxjobox]

Originally Posted by Trapped

I don't care if some Christians feel Satan is in our flesh. He is not.

Sin dwells in us. Satan doesn't.

Satan can influence our thoughts. But he doesn't know our thoughts.

All the world lies in his hand. But he's not everywhere in the world.

The fallen flesh is something different than "Satan living in people".

Trapped, I agree with you that Satan does not live in people. I am not really up on Satan things or think about this topic and don't know how the spirit world operates. James has some things to say as does Peter. Jesus said you are of your father the devil. I don't think Satan runs to someone in Moscow and then over to another in Iran and then over to Mayor De Blasio n NY ( sorry, I couldn't resist that one) I would think that knowing how to influence someone would involve knowing their thoughts.

Now that I think of it a little more- where do I come up with a picture of Jesus knowing everyone's thoughts? I don't seem to formalize a clear picture of that being the case from scripture. Jesus knowing all thoughts of all people at the same time would definitely be an interesting study, maybe Ohio could fill me in on that one. I suspect he is speaking from situational things he read about in the gospels

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by Boxjobox

Now that I think of it a little more- where do I come up with a picture of Jesus knowing everyone's thoughts? I don't seem to formalize a clear picture of that being the case from scripture. Jesus knowing all thoughts of all people at the same time would definitely be an interesting study, maybe Ohio could fill me in on that one. I suspect he is speaking from situational things he read about in the gospels

The only verse I've come across so far since this post is in John 2.

John 2:23-25
Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many people saw the signs he was performing and believed in his name. But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all people. He did not need any testimony about mankind, for he knew what was in each person.

Now, you may count this as "speaking from situational things in the gospels", I don't know. But it does seem to lend credence towards the thought that Jesus knows all people and what's in all people. If I come across anymore, I'll post them here.

Of course, there are times when it says "Jesus, knowing their thoughts" or something like that....when He's being questioned by the religious guys. So if He knows their thoughts, why wouldn't He know ours?

*shrug*