LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Sin was still in man and that only gets addressed effectively in Christ.

I don't get this 'sin in man.' I get that Adam and Eve sinned. But doesn't it violate our free will that we're imbued with it at birth? I chose against that.

It think it could be that it's easy to buy into from just observing our fellowmen, and the world out there.

But it's more likely explained, rather than by indwelling sin, that, we're just primates, acting like primates, and the sin of Adam has nothing to do with it, except that he and she were primates.

Maybe I'm missing something.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by awareness

I don't get this 'sin in man.' I get that Adam and Eve sinned. But doesn't it violate our free will that we're imbued with it at birth? I chose against that.

It think it could be that it's easy to buy into from just observing our fellowmen, and the world out there.

But it's more likely explained, rather than by indwelling sin, that, we're just primates, acting like primates, and the sin of Adam has nothing to do with it, except that he and she were primates.

Maybe I'm missing something.

Why did Christ come?

[ExChurchKid]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Why did Christ come?

Perhaps because God failed in his creation of us, so he had to send Christ down to fix his mess. That's one way to look at it, anyway.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by ExChurchKid

Perhaps because God failed in his creation of us, so he had to send Christ down to fix his mess. That's one way to look at it, anyway.

Well, even if that's the case (made a mistake), Christ is still the "best show in town" in my book - Christ is the clearest picture we have of God.

[ExChurchKid]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Well, even if that's the case (made a mistake), Christ is still the "best show in town" in my book - Christ is the clearest picture we have of God.

I currently prefer Odin, actually.


But seriously dude, with all due respect, your preaching would be more effective if you directed it towards people who were more interested in it. There's plenty of threads on the main forum that seem like prime praising-Christ spaces.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by ExChurchKid

I currently prefer Odin, actually.


But seriously dude, with all due respect, your preaching would be more effective if you directed it towards people who were more interested in it. There's plenty of threads on the main forum that seem like prime praising-Christ spaces.

You are mostly free to say what you want here on Alt Views, and so am I, therefore: Your anti-preaching preaching sounds most intolerant and preachy. (FYI - this IS a Christian forum . . .)

[ExChurchKid]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

You are mostly free to say what you want here on Alt Views, and so am I, therefore: Your anti-preaching preaching sounds most intolerant and preachy. (FYI - this IS a Christian forum . . .)

It isn't a Christian forum. Unless I'm missing something, it is a Local Churches forum. Also, it is a place for logical, productive discussion. You are neither being logical, nor participating in productive discussion.

Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one, and to be proud of it, but it isn't okay to whip it out in public and start waving it around, and it especially isn't okay to shove it down anyone's throat.

[ExChurchKid]

Originally Posted by awareness

I don't get this 'sin in man.' I get that Adam and Eve sinned. But doesn't it violate our free will that we're imbued with it at birth? I chose against that.

I'm with you here. I didn't eat any forbidden fruit. Why do I suffer because of them? Also, it seems like God didn't really set them up for success in the first place. Why not just leave out the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Because of free will? So free will causes us to want knowledge and that causes sin? It seems like sin isn't so bad if God created us with a curious nature.