LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

[Trapped]

Originally Posted by awareness

Brother, it's clear you mean well. But you are on the LGBT thread. So saying the heart can't be trusted, and don't lean on your own understanding, and love is just a feeling, seems to be an attack on gays.

But I'm doing wrong, and we're doing wrong.

SerentyLives intended this thread to hopefully reach out to gays in the LC, not for us to argue about it.

She now thinks this thread is a failure, and wants it closed and deleted, thanks to us.

But I need to talk to her first.

And for the record, I think you are a sweet brother.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I take serious issue with this thread being deleted AGAIN. I and others have poured time as well as serious thought into it, and, I'm not joking, hours of walking around in agony considering how to respond in the most compassionate way. I have numerous drafts still in limbo as I've tried to squeeze some time in during the week after work to respond to the many responses posted this week.

Let me remind everyone what the original post of this thread said:

Hello all, I am representing all the queerfolk, trans, bisexual, basically lgbtqia, since the last one landed in a disaster. and I would like to form a civilized discussion. No name calling etc. So what are ex-LC members experience with those they know who have left the church due to their own or friends/ family members’ different sexuality and gender identity issues? and what are you guys’ stance on this hot topic.

This has been as civilized a discussion as you can hope given the topic, as well as some of the awkwardness inherent in the subject, and any failures in keeping it civilized have come from both sides.

Everyone has provided their stance on the "hot topic", just as requested -- there is nothing to delete here. To come on a largely Christian forum and ask for a discussion on a contentious topic and then repeatedly delete the entire history of it because you don't like the responses that were totally in-line with everything you asked for, is beyond frustrating, as well as disrespectful to those participating.

There is no "thanks to us". Don't throw that at the people who complied with the original post. The "thanks to us" belongs to SerenityLives who wants anything that handles this topic logically and rationally deleted from existence.

I DEALT WITH YOU CALLING GOD GAY AND JESUS HOMOSEXUAL AND I DIDN'T ONCE ASK FOR THE THREAD TO BE DELETED.

I personally think there is a lot of value in what has been written not only from the "side" or perspective I hold, but also in all the experiences, articles, thoughts, feelings, points of view, and responses from the pro-LGBTQ lifestyle side. Someone on the LGBTQ side may come onto this thread and get tremendous help from those who are in favor of it.

The heart CAN'T be trusted, we are NOT to lean on our own understanding. That's not an "attack on the gays". That's the truth of God's word no matter what the topic.

And for heaven's sake, no one here "hates the gays" as you keep claiming. I don't know how many more times I need to say, both from my perspective, as well as what the Word says, that it's the sexual act that is the issue. That's it. NO ONE HERE "HATES THE GAYS", SO STOP MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS.

Leave this thread be.