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[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Freedom

Speaking up has consequences. If someone has years of their life invested in the LC, the possibility of being label as "negative" doesn't look too appealing, even if it means tolerating unseemly behavior.

For a brother or sister to be negative, it doesn't happen over night. It's not as if they set their mind to be negative. The label is a result of reacting to abuse. How many times is someone going to be bullied, before they react?

Here's my historical analogy for the day, when British colonists began arriving in North America in the 17th century, there was no indication of the colonists becoming "negative" towards the British crown. Rather there was roughly 140-150 years of the colonists being "positive" before the colonists began "reacting" against the British government for their abuses of the colonies.

[Freedom]

Originally Posted by Terry

For a brother or sister to be negative, it doesn't happen over night. It's not as if they set their mind to be negative. The label is a result of reacting to abuse. How many times is someone going to be bullied, before they react?

It has always surprised me that there haven't been more people within the LC who have reacted to the various abuses that take place. My experience has been that the abuses aren't too hard to find. Everyone has their reasons for keeping quiet, and one thing is for certain, LC leaders operate on the assumption that everyone is going to remain silent. When some doesn't, it's a big deal.

The fact of the matter is, as long as there are abusive situations, there will be those who feel pushed to become "negative" towards the LC. As much as leaders would like to label negativity as an "attack of the enemy", it's simply a reaction to situations that should have been resolved. A case and point is what happened with Samuel Liu. Had other leaders stood up to him and removed him from a leadership role, this situation would probably have never been brought up on the internet. It was a problem created by inaction, and allowing abuses to continue in spite of all logic and reason.

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Freedom

It was a problem created by inaction, and allowing abuses to continue in spite of all logic and reason.

The inaction in Ontario, whether due to James Lee, Walter Ortiz, or Tom Serrati in regard to Samuel Liu, a mountain was created out of a molehill.
Trace back in local church history and you can be certain every turmoil was a result of inaction by brothers.
Instead of being part of the solution, they were part of the problem.

[Freedom]

According to an LC 'tabloid' site (churchnews.info), there is a church in Eastvale (a bit south of Ontario, CA where Samuel Liu is), and this church has recently 'recovered' the practice of "the use of a smartphone as a microphone and bluetooth speaker as a megaphone." I kid you not. I can see Samuel Liu in some of the photos at the link posted below (btw I wonder if he plays any part in the churchnews.info site???) http://churchnews.info/blog/2016/03/...4%9F%E6%8B%85/

What interests me the most is to think that certain 'regional' coworkers (like Samuel Liu), are allowed to run wild and are purposely promoting themselves. Why is this allowed to happen in the realm of the LC? Because the alternative, such as to address what Indiana has written has more severe implications for the blendeds. For now, it's easier for them to let Samuel do what he wants. You can tell by reading the link that the churches associated with him might come across as a bit peculiar (no surprise there).

[TLFisher]

Originally Posted by Freedom

According to an LC 'tabloid' site (churchnews.info), there is a church in Eastvale (a bit south of Ontario, CA where Samuel Liu is), and this church has recently 'recovered' the practice of "the use of a smartphone as a microphone and bluetooth speaker as a megaphone." I kid you not. I can see Samuel Liu in some of the photos at the link posted below (btw I wonder if he plays any part in the churchnews.info site???) http://churchnews.info/blog/2016/03/...4%9F%E6%8B%85/

What interests me the most is to think that certain 'regional' coworkers (like Samuel Liu), are allowed to run wild and are purposely promoting themselves. Why is this allowed to happen in the realm of the LC? Because the alternative, such as to address what Indiana has written has more severe implications for the blendeds. For now, it's easier for them to let Samuel do what he wants. You can tell by reading the link that the churches associated with him might come across as a bit peculiar (no surprise there).

The phrase that caught my attention:

"the burden for increase, a normal rate of growth, the need for planning and statistics, and the pattern of the leading ones."

I'm sure the burden has been there since 1974. As for statistics, it's a topic I find easily manipulated. Plus it is a reminder of the New Way.
Pattern of the leading ones?
The pattern has already been established in Matthew 23.