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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I voted early and had to wait an hour, which was crazy since in some past elections, i never waited more than a few minutes. I talked to quite an interesting and well-traveled guy behind me who talked the whole time, interrupted by probably two dozen calls and texts. He make a number of interesting observations. Three of them I'll repeat -- the whole election is about SCOTUS appointments, Trump would win, and that "they" would knock off Trump, leaving Pence Prez.

Sounded crazy yesterday, today I wonder.

Wow, I didn't even think of that, but imagine being in the Secret Service and waking up today. How are you going to protect this guy for 4 years?

Also, for those who think things are bad today, imagine what they would be like the day after an attempt on our newly elected representative.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Wow, I didn't even think of that, but imagine being in the Secret Service and waking up today. How are you going to protect this guy for 4 years?

Also, for those who think things are bad today, imagine what they would be like the day after an attempt on our newly elected representative.

The million dollar question is this ... Why were all the pollsters wrong?

So very wrong.

I think the answer is simple ... Political correctness gone haywire.

People can no longer speak what they really believe, and only in secret ... The voting booth ... Do they express their true feelings.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The million dollar question is this ... Why were all the pollsters wrong?

So very wrong.

I think the answer is simple ... Political correctness gone haywire.

People can no longer speak what they really believe, and only in secret ... The voting booth ... Do they express their true feelings.

I agree with Trump on this one, the system is rigged.

I like to listen to the Jonathan Stewart show, he got replaced with Trevor Noah who is so blatantly biased it is pathetic. I feel the media was very dishonest in their coverage.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I agree with Trump on this one, the system is rigged.

I like to listen to the Jonathan Stewart show, he got replaced with Trevor Noah who is so blatantly biased it is pathetic. I feel the media was very dishonest in their coverage.

It took WikiLeaks to shout from rooftops how corrupt the system is. CNN and the DNC in cahoots for so-called fair and honest debates? Nonsense.

And what's up with all the "moral outrage" over Trump? Was it not these same media folks that hammered us with the drumbeat during the Bill Clinton era that it was "all about job performance," and that personal ethics in the oval office with interns was none of our business?

I thank the Lord that I never had an appetite for cheap humor. I think much of America's moral decline is due to it.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by Ohio

The million dollar question is this ... Why were all the pollsters wrong?

So very wrong.

I think the answer is simple ... Political correctness gone haywire.

People can no longer speak what they really believe, and only in secret ... The voting booth ... Do they express their true feelings.

Another explanation was given.

Clinton was all but guaranteed the election victory, that many of her supporters stayed home.

[zeek]

If evangelical Christians voted for Trump as I read they did, they have lost any claim to moral authority or family values. Their Christianity is as genuine as Melania's boobs.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

If evangelical Christians voted for Trump as I read they did, they have lost any claim to moral authority or family values. Their Christianity is as genuine as Melania's boobs.

This is so extreme and judgmental.

Perhaps they voted for Pence.

Was a vote for Hillary more moral? Was she not the "First Lady Enabler" whose husband left a trail of molested women? What about that long trail of "suspicious and mysterious deaths" with numerous "Arkancides?" **

Can evangelical Christians who voted for the Clintons then claim any moral authority or family values?

Politics is filthy business.

** Note to the less informed: An Arkancide is the suspicious death of a person close to Clintons, who is shot at point blank range in the back of the head, and made to look like a suicide. A problem then developed when the authorities tried to explain how the dead body was magically moved to another location post mortem and no gun was found. That, by definition, is conspiratorial, and is murder by one's own government, an apparent specialty by Clinton associates.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

This is so extreme and judgmental.

"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice." Barry Goldwater. You calling me judgmental is funny. Thanks, I needed a laugh.

[UntoHim]

Sure Politics is a filthy business, but this doesn't mean that our language and communication with each other should be so on an open, public Forum where young people and women have to be subjected to filthy language.

Tone it down.

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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice." Barry Goldwater. You calling me judgmental is funny. Thanks, I needed a laugh.

Oh, so you have changed your opinion about Trump? He is now a defender of liberty?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

This is so extreme and judgmental.

Perhaps they voted for Pence.

Was a vote for Hillary more moral? Was she not the "First Lady Enabler" whose husband left a trail of molested women? What about that long trail of "suspicious and mysterious deaths" with numerous "Arkancides?" **

Can evangelical Christians who voted for the Clintons then claim any moral authority or family values?

Politics is filthy business.

** Note to the less informed: An Arkancide is the suspicious death of a person close to Clintons, who is shot at point blank range in the back of the head, and made to look like a suicide. A problem then developed when the authorities tried to explain how the dead body was magically moved to another location post mortem and no gun was found. That, by definition, is conspiratorial, and is murder by one's own government, an apparent specialty by Clinton associates.

Let's look at that:

1. According to Obama Clinton was the "only qualified candidate". That is by definition arrogant and elitist.

2. Trump is accused of being abusive towards women, but certainly not more abusive than Bill Clinton or the pervert Weiner.

3. Clinton blames the wikileaks scandal on the Russians, but doesn't that just underscore how irresponsible she was?

4. Clinton tells us how scary it is for Trump to be President because of what might happen, better to have her where we know we will be robbed.

She lied to us and robbed us. I don't see how anyone voted for her.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Perhaps they voted for Pence.

Curiouser and curiouser, cried Alice. Protestants voting for someone in the whore of Babylon ...

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

If evangelical Christians voted for Trump as I read they did, they have lost any claim to moral authority or family values. Their Christianity is as genuine as Melania's boobs.

That's like saying any Christian who has ever lied, any Christian who has ever stolen, any Christian who has ever swore, etc has "lost any claim to moral authority or family values."

By your false standards, all the Psalms of David and all the epistles of Paul, should be ripped out of scripture.

And we are now talking about actual failures committed by these writers.

You, however, would take this ten steps further, by imputing all Trump's sins on all those who voted for him.

Seriously?

By what judgment you judge, you also will be judged.

zeek, you may claim to be "balanced," but just about every post of yours displays serious negative bias towards God, His word, and His people.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

If evangelical Christians voted for Trump as I read they did, they have lost any claim to moral authority or family values. Their Christianity is as genuine as Melania's boobs.

So then we judge Christians based on whether they voted democrat or republican?

For the record I did more soul searching for this election than any previous one. I eliminated Donald Trump very early on, even before he was nominated. However, I continued to consider Clinton much, much longer than I ever would have otherwise.

But in the end I felt that I could not in good conscience vote for her. I felt the two other candidates were both a joke and not even worthy of a protest vote.

So, I stayed home. I live in NY, the state was not in play, my vote was irrelevant from day one. But, I felt the best thing for this election is the fewer people who vote the better.

Doing the math there were 12% of registered voters actually voted for Trump because they wanted him (the rest either were voting against Clinton or not voting). There was a similar number for Clinton. If 76% of Americans had not voted that would have been the best possible outcome. One of them would be elected with 12% of the vote but there would be no mandate.

That said I am hopeful that this will turn out for the best. I am reminded of the protests in the streets of NY when Ronald Reagan was president, everyone was concerned he was going to start a nuclear war. In the end it turned out for the best and I now like him as a president.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

For the record I did more soul searching for this election than any previous one. I eliminated Donald Trump very early on, even before he was nominated. However, I continued to consider Clinton much, much longer than I ever would have otherwise.

But in the end I felt that I could not in good conscience vote for her. I felt the two other candidates were both a joke and not even worthy of a protest vote.

So, I stayed home. I live in NY, the state was not in play, my vote was irrelevant from day one. But, I felt the best thing for this election is the fewer people who vote the better.

I stayed home during the primaries. It was all pretty disgusting. Even Rubio took things into the gutter.

I liked Huckabee, for one. One thing he said about politics was interesting -- "if you can't stand the sight of your own blood, you better get out!"

I have a long standing policy about politicians -- don't pay attention to what they say, but what they do, and who they surround themselves with.

Trump surrounded himself with some people I respected, like Pence, Giuliani, Carson, Gingrich, etc.

Huma Abedin Weiner was a definite deal breaker for me, irrespective of all the Clinton issues, now widely broadcasted on WikiLeaks for all to see. For me it reeks of a puppet presidency a la Manchurian.

The real question in the aftermath of this election result, is what will happen to the FBI investigation of Clinton, now that AG Lynch will be the first to lose her job.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I stayed home during the primaries. It was all pretty disgusting. Even Rubio took things into the gutter.

I liked Huckabee, for one. One thing he said about politics was interesting -- "if you can't stand the sight of your own blood, you better get out!"

I have a long standing policy about politicians -- don't pay attention to what they say, but what they do, and who they surround themselves with.

Trump surrounded himself with some people I respected, like Pence, Giuliani, Carson, Gingrich, etc.

Huma Abedin Weiner was a definite deal breaker for me, irrespective of all the Clinton issues, now widely broadcasted on WikiLeaks for all to see. For me it reeks of a puppet presidency a la Manchurian.

The real question in the aftermath of this election result, is what will happen to the FBI investigation of Clinton, now that AG Lynch will be the first to lose her job.

Studying a little history about Lyndon Johnson and Nixon gives me a lot of pause over making too much out of what they say. Just because the campaign was incredibly shocking this time, it was only because we actually got to peak behind the curtain. If we had done so with earlier presidents it would have been very shocking as well.

For all of Clinton's sins, I don't see them as all that different from LBJ's.

As for Trump people were equally worried, if not more so, over Ronald Reagan (everyone seems to forget that). Teddy Roosevelt was also one that scared the establishment.

I have also come to appreciate the collective wisdom more than I did when I was younger. I don't dismiss the choice of 60 million people (which of course means I don't dismiss the fact that a number that large voted for Clinton also).

Many years ago I used to think that the Electoral college was a poor way to elect a president, but now I think differently. My thought is that the concerns of people in major cities are quite similar, if you were to make it a straight one person one vote then all of the candidates would focus on the 20 largest cities and ignore 99% of the country. Because of the Electoral college geography becomes more important. It is as though we are giving people and land an opportunity to be represented.

If our president only represented the 20 largest cities it would do the country a disservice.

As for Wikileaks I think they serve an important role in society. Prior to this whistleblowers suffered serious repercussions. No one would dare blow the whistle on the Clinton's. But we have entered a new era where truly, what is done in secret will be shouted from the rooftop. So although we saw horrible corruption I suspect this is similar to the corruption that existed in the police department a hundred years ago. The best cure is to shine a bright light. Going forward I expect that wikileaks can balance out the corrosive effect of corporations on our democratic process. "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free".

How ironic if this data dump is credited to the Russians. You can be sure that they too will reap what they sow.

How astounding is it that Clinton was crying for hours blaming Comey and Obama. It just amazes me how no one takes any responsibility for their actions. In her eyes her loss was not due to the things she did, but rather the things that Comey did and Obama didn't do. It makes you lose any remaining respect you might have still had for these people.