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Old 02-16-2017, 11:54 AM   #1
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I have no idea about that. Oddly, my early years were with an Arminian group yet we never had any kind of corporate repentance.

But when does one repent to a spouse for something? Do you expect that you will have some special time together and from that will come a blessing and then you will have what it takes to repent/apologize?

And this is why I so often refer back to the experiences I had and observed in the LRC as false. We worked ourselves into faux spiritual highs, but nothing truly spiritual came out of it. No righteousness. No repentance. No corporate confession. That is because if you think that you had a spiritually high time prior to your repentance, you were deluded. That was a lot of bootstrapping and cheerleading to get the emotions raised.
In the LSM/LC you won't find any corporate repentance. By nature it would be politically incorrect. As one of the items to corporately repent of would be quarantines, lifting up a man and his ministry, etc.

OBW, there's been many occasions during my 20+ years of marriage that my spouse and I have taken the time to repent and apologize.

I agree with you somewhat regarding LC experiences. Often I've observed following a bi-annual training there's a short-lived spiritual high that last a week or so until it's business as usual the local church.
Just as you said, no righteousness, no repentance within the body and no confession corporately while there likely is repentance and confession individually between a believer and God.
Part of the reason why there is no righteousness is largely in part due to practice of deputy authority. While aspects may be scriptural, if there's no checks and balances to prevent unrighteous spiritual abuse. Just as Ohio has said produces bullies out of good brothers.
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Old 02-17-2017, 11:56 AM   #2
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Part of the reason why there is no righteousness is largely in part due to practice of deputy authority. While aspects may be scriptural, if there's no checks and balances to prevent unrighteous spiritual abuse. Just as Ohio has said produces bullies out of good brothers.
Part of it is elders, co-workers, etc do not feel they need to be accountable towards any brothers or sisters in which the normal thing to do is repent and apologize.
Remember Mario Sandoval and Samuel Liu in Hear the Cases regarding the Church in Ontario.
Or Steve Isitt and Ron Kangas over what Ron spoke in Ambato, Ecuador in 2007. Steve tried by phone and by mail to fellowship with Ron over what Ron spoke. No response. Right or wrong, it should never take a brother to initiate a lawsuit to get the other party to respond.
This is the attitude some, but not all responsible ones have exhibited. They can do or say something to offend another brother or another sister, but don't have to respond and certain don't have to apologize for anything.
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