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[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Obviously you are not interested in how real science differs from today's pseudo-science promoted by progressives.

Here's just a few comments to Bret Stevens' many bashers ..

It's so sad to see my ultra-liberal friends here, having long chucked the truths of the Gospel along with the rest of the Recovery, only to embrace a radical Green Religion far more pernicious than the one they left. Their new religion worships Mother Earth, having replaced that of Father God, and has all the same trappings of LC exclusivity in the name of "science," their new holy "bible."

Oh, those hell bound liberals again ... everything they do, say, and think, is of the devil.

But that aside, what's wrong with reducing our carbon footprint? What's wrong with converting to renewable energy? Is it a nefarious evil plan of the liberals and scientists? Are they secretly trying to kill us?

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Oh, those hell bound liberals again ... everything they do, say, and think, is of the devil.

But that aside, what's wrong with reducing our carbon footprint? What's wrong with converting to renewable energy? Is it a nefarious evil plan of the liberals and scientists? Are they secretly trying to kill us?

There is nothing "wrong" with it as long as you realize there are other legitimate concerns as well. What is wrong with wanting a job? Are the liberals trying to kill us? Why is it immoral to want a secure border? Since when is it immoral to put a lock on your front door?

ISIS is trying to kill us, so what is wrong with wanting to defeat them?

There are multiple issues, they are all legitimate.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Oh, those hell bound liberals again ... everything they do, say, and think, is of the devil.

But that aside, what's wrong with reducing our carbon footprint? What's wrong with converting to renewable energy? Is it a nefarious evil plan of the liberals and scientists? Are they secretly trying to kill us?

Working class conservatives have been struggling to reduce their carbon footprints for decades, then these Green Religion Fundamentalists come along, dump their Hummers for Teslas and start preaching to the rest of us.

It's these guys like Ozone Al Gore who need to reduce their carbon footprint. But wait ... isn't Ozone Al the High Priest of Mother Earth planet worship? But I want a "FOOTPRINT" like he's got, with his mansion, limo, and private jet!!!

Awareness, am I that wrong for seeing thru the hypocrisy here? Wealthy elitist liberal fundamentalists preaching their fire, brimstone, and rising oceans to the rest of us in order to reduce OUR emissions?

Just think how much Obama's FOOTPRINT grew, every time he went golfing in Hawaii on Air Force One with his entourage of 500 secret service agents? But who am I to complain just because I can't afford to golf down the street?

Then they whip up these $50K/year college kids and 3rd generation welfare recipients (neither of which ever held a real job) to go protest those "evil" capitalistic institutions like banks in big cities.

Can't you see thru this hypocrisy? Why is it so hard for you? You can't keep blaming Kentuckian Evangelicals for this mess.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Can't you see thru this hypocrisy? Why is it so hard for you? You can't keep blaming Kentuckian Evangelicals for this mess.

Of course I see thru the hypocrisy. I'm not blind. Just as I see thru the hypocrisy of this Trump admin.

And the population of the whole state of Ky is only 4 million. So Ky is not even close to being blameable for this mess. Although, we do have a few hotspot pollution centers in the state ; one chemical company right here in town, that stinks ; and a city I grew up in, with industries, that's been sued by counties up wind for causing higher cancer rates.

These kinds of pollution matters don't care about political parties, they'll make conservatives and liberals sick alike.

I don't know why pollution of our air, water, and food, is a political matter. Both liberals and conservatives depend on them being clean and wholesome.

And yes it's irksome to hear some kale eating liberals spouting environment, environment, environment, while flying around in private jets, to preach to me about cutting greenhouse gases.

If they really practiced what they are preaching with the same zeal, then they'd be living off the gird.

But then we have ones like Wendell Berry, a good ol' Ky boy, that pretty much lives what he preaches concerning the environment.

I consider that I have a personal vested interest in the environment, in clean air, water, and food. I'm for anyone that is concerned about them. And I don't care if they identify as liberal or conservative.

I just don't think that crapping in our nest is a good idea ... whether it's liberal fecal matter, or conservative.

And I've noticed that no one wants to talk about the elephant in the room, that, it's the heat of the loins that's causing global warming ... and both conservatives and liberals are to blame for it.

Tho I do have to point out that Trump's appointment to head up Title X family planning for our nation's poor, Teresa Manning, is a contraception skeptic.

[zeek]

I was disappointed that so many Evangelical Christians, who consider themselves to be the only true Christians voted for the flagrantly immoral Donald Trump. But, I have heard a number of them say, that they only did it because they saw him as the lesser evil when compared with Hilary Clinton. That makes their choice a little more understandable to me. Especially since many of them watch Fox News 24/7 where Hilary Clinton has been demonized for years. Plus, maybe they are fans of Trump from The Apprentice where he popularized his image for mass consumption. Can we agree that manipulation of the sheeple by the media circus is disgusting? Trump played the populace brilliantly from the get-go planting in our brains the image of himself coming down the escalator like a god descending from the clouds to intercourse with we the mere mortal earthing voter/citizens. Hallelujah! Thank you Trumpus!, not.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by zeek

I was disappointed that so many Evangelical Christians, who consider themselves to be the only true Christians voted for the flagrantly immoral Donald Trump. But, I have heard a number of them say, that they only did it because they saw him as the lesser evil when compared with Hilary Clinton. That makes their choice a little more understandable to me. Especially since many of them watch Fox News 24/7 where Hilary Clinton has been demonized for years. Plus, maybe they are fans of Trump from The Apprentice where he popularized his image for mass consumption. Can we agree that manipulation of the sheeple by the media circus is disgusting? Trump played the populace brilliantly from the get-go planting in our brains the image of himself coming down the escalator like a god descending from the clouds to intercourse with we the mere mortal earthing voter/citizens. Hallelujah! Thank you Trumpus!, not.

Trump is God's chosen and will solve all the problems. That's really all that counts. Don't you follow the prophecies on charisma magazine? Seriously, Trump does pray. So he's doing something right. He prayed for the Apprentice TV ratings. Politics, it's just a game. President is just a job that has to be filled by someone. Who that someone is doesn't change things too much. The debt clock is still ticking. NK still wants to blow up Washington, and Assange is still in London. In these moments it's good to read about the Universality and Centrality of Christ, by W. Lee. And remember the all-inclusive processed and consummated Triune God is in control.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Trump is God's chosen and will solve all the problems. That's really all that counts. Don't you follow the prophecies on charisma magazine? Seriously, Trump does pray. So he's doing something right. He prayed for the Apprentice TV ratings. Politics, it's just a game. President is just a job that has to be filled by someone. Who that someone is doesn't change things too much. The debt clock is still ticking. NK still wants to blow up Washington, and Assange is still in London. In these moments it's good to read about the Universality and Centrality of Christ, by W. Lee. And remember the all-inclusive processed and consummated Triune God is in control.

Yeah Zeek, read "the all inclusive processed and consummated Triune God" by WL and chill out.

[OBW]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Trump is God's chosen and will solve all the problems. That's really all that counts.

Why do we think that Trump is God's chosen? Because God is sovereign?

If so, they does that mean that God thought 8 years of Obama was a good thing? If so then we have to rethink the prior 8 years.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by OBW

Why do we think that Trump is God's chosen? Because God is sovereign?

If so, they does that mean that God thought 8 years of Obama was a good thing? If so then we have to rethink the prior 8 years.

God is good and God is good all the time. So yes. 8 years of Obama was good. Regardless of who is in power, we have to pray for the leaders. Do we have to like them or agree with everything they do. No.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Evangelical

Trump is God's chosen

Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

And that not only goes for Trump, but for Obama, Bush, Clinton, and all the rest.

I'm on a prophecy forum and they are saying Trump is a Cyrus the Great. He said he'd move the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. They believe he will make for the rebuilding of the temple, that must happen for Jesus to return.

Who knows. These rapture nuts might be wrong. Trump could be Nebuchadnezzar.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

And that not only goes for Trump, but for Obama, Bush, Clinton, and all the rest.

I'm on a prophecy forum and they are saying Trump is a Cyrus the Great. He said he'd move the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. They believe he will make for the rebuilding of the temple, that must happen for Jesus to return.

Who knows. These rapture nuts might be wrong. Trump could be Nebuchadnezzar.

You'll just have to wait and see.

[Evangelical]

Originally Posted by awareness

Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

And that not only goes for Trump, but for Obama, Bush, Clinton, and all the rest.

I'm on a prophecy forum and they are saying Trump is a Cyrus the Great. He said he'd move the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. They believe he will make for the rebuilding of the temple, that must happen for Jesus to return.

Who knows. These rapture nuts might be wrong. Trump could be Nebuchadnezzar.

Well, America probably has been Babylon the Great for some time now. The political arm of the Roman Empire.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by zeek

I was disappointed that so many Evangelical Christians, who consider themselves to be the only true Christians voted for the flagrantly immoral Donald Trump. But, I have heard a number of them say, that they only did it because they saw him as the lesser evil when compared with Hilary Clinton. That makes their choice a little more understandable to me. Especially since many of them watch Fox News 24/7 where Hilary Clinton has been demonized for years. Plus, maybe they are fans of Trump from The Apprentice where he popularized his image for mass consumption. Can we agree that manipulation of the sheeple by the media circus is disgusting? Trump played the populace brilliantly from the get-go planting in our brains the image of himself coming down the escalator like a god descending from the clouds to intercourse with we the mere mortal earthing voter/citizens. Hallelujah! Thank you Trumpus!, not.

I look at it differently. I figure the best thing that could possibly have happened to Clinton was to run against Trump. If she can't beat that guy then she should not be president. If you told me she was going to run against Trump and to put a cherry on top he would insult Gold Star parents coming out of the convention and just to make sure there is no way you could lose the Billy Bush tape would also be released. If she were honest she would realize she was given a gift in running against trump, they put whipped cream on that gift with his insults of various war heroes and they put a cherry on top with his very clear admittance of sexual misconduct and deviant behavior.

But instead she want to blame her "enemies". She is her biggest enemy.

Comey had no affect on me and Putin didn't either. Putting classified emails on her private server to get around freedom of information, and using her position at the State department to enrich her self through her foundation. Those are the two reasons I would not, under any circumstances vote for her.

To me this last election was like going to a restaurant during a blackout and they say "look, this chicken has been out for a few days and smells bad" the other choice is this cole slaw made with mayo that has also been out for a few days and smells bad. Which one do you want?

I chose to fast.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

I look at it differently. I figure the best thing that could possibly have happened to Clinton was to run against Trump. If she can't beat that guy then she should not be president. If you told me she was going to run against Trump and to put a cherry on top he would insult Gold Star parents coming out of the convention and just to make sure there is no way you could lose the Billy Bush tape would also be released. If she were honest she would realize she was given a gift in running against trump, they put whipped cream on that gift with his insults of various war heroes and they put a cherry on top with his very clear admittance of sexual misconduct and deviant behavior.

But instead she want to blame her "enemies". She is her biggest enemy.

Comey had no affect on me and Putin didn't either. Putting classified emails on her private server to get around freedom of information, and using her position at the State department to enrich her self through her foundation. Those are the two reasons I would not, under any circumstances vote for her.

To me this last election was like going to a restaurant during a blackout and they say "look, this chicken has been out for a few days and smells bad" the other choice is this cole slaw made with mayo that has also been out for a few days and smells bad. Which one do you want?

I chose to fast.

I "fasted" during the primary, but that was also for another reason. But not against Hillary. She was far too scary.

I agree Trump did and said stupid things. Ole zeek still has no clue why Trump won and Hillary lost. Talk about stupid -- when Trump said McCain was not a war hero because he prefers soldiers who did not get caught. What? McCain was a pilot shot down, his dad was a distinguished admiral, and he was tortured in prison for years. Now I don't really care for all McCain's decisions -- like dumping his wife after coming home -- and his policies -- like not opposing abortion -- but who would dare say he was not a hero?

Then Trump never learned a thing, and went after that gold star Muslim family that lost their son in the war. Talk about stupid! Perhaps Bannon and Conway talked some sense into him.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I "fasted" during the primary, but that was also for another reason. But not against Hillary. She was far too scary.

I agree Trump did and said stupid things. Ole zeek still has no clue why Trump won and Hillary lost. Talk about stupid -- when Trump said McCain was not a war hero because he prefers soldiers who did not get caught. What? McCain was a pilot shot down, his dad was a distinguished admiral, and he was tortured in prison for years. Now I don't really care for all McCain's decisions -- like dumping his wife after coming home -- and his policies -- like not opposing abortion -- but who would dare say he was not a hero?

Then Trump never learned a thing, and went after that gold star Muslim family that lost their son in the war. Talk about stupid! Perhaps Bannon and Conway talked some sense into him.

People are fed up with Washington insider politics as usual. Trump ran against that. That's basically why he won and why Sanders would have been more effective against him than Clinton.