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[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

In politics, with so many being accused, all you have to say is that it's politically motivated and you're in free.

When can we kick politicians out of office? Seems never. Weinstein's career is ended, Kevin Spacey too. Hollywood is falling apart. But Franken is okay. John Conyers steps down from committee, but isn't going to resign ... or get kicked out. There's lots of examples, on both sides if the isle. Politicians can keep their jobs, while others that are politicians lose their job.

Or they then go on to get a good lobbying job, their own TV or radio show, or work for Fox news, MSNBC, or some other high paying job.

Politics has always been dirty, but it's now too dirty for any earnest Christian to be a part of.

But that's not stopping Christians today. They seem fine with immorality, as long as their party wins.

It is the old "lesser of two evils" choice. When faced with that I chose not to vote determining that the best outcome was one in which no one voted, hence no legitimacy to the winner. But for one party or the other this strategy would be suicide.

So then the Christian is faced with two evils -- vote for abortion, or vote for a man accused of being a creep. If you take abortion off the table (make it a State's rights issue) you would see that many Christians would begin to vote democrat.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

So then the Christian is faced with two evils -- vote for abortion, or vote for a man accused of being a creep. If you take abortion off the table (make it a State's rights issue) you would see that many Christians would begin to vote democrat.

But ... wait a minute ZNP.

Moore was only accused. Since it will never go before a jury, we must weigh the accusers against other witnesses.

Don't you teach at a NYC high school? What if you were falsely accused of sexual impropriety by three girls whom you happened to fail in a test. The three went to the local news and your picture was plastered on the New York Times. Fellow teachers threatened to resign in protest unless you were immediately fired. Teachers were up in arms, a public relations nightmare.

Slowly over time you had to prove not only that it didn't happen, but that it couldn't happen. Meanwhile you start racking up legal bills, and since you don't qualify for unemployment, you have no money coming in. What if your union officials decided not to back you for some personal reason. Six months later you are acquitted of molesting underage girls. Your name and reputation are sullied. Your friends look at you suspiciously.

Pretty nasty huh? Think about the Duke Lacrosse team. Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, and many others.

The evidence is mounting that these accusations are a political hit job. I'm a little surprised you, with your forensics background, were so quick to tag him a pig and a creep.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

But ... wait a minute ZNP.

Moore was only accused. Since it will never go before a jury, we must weigh the accusers against other witnesses.

Don't you teach at a NYC high school? What if you were falsely accused of sexual impropriety by three girls whom you happened to fail in a test. The three went to the local news and your picture was plastered on the New York Times. Fellow teachers threatened to resign in protest unless you were immediately fired. Teachers were up in arms, a public relations nightmare.

Slowly over time you had to prove not only that it didn't happen, but that it couldn't happen. Meanwhile you start racking up legal bills, and since you don't qualify for unemployment, you have no money coming in. What if your union officials decided not to back you for some personal reason. Six months later you are acquitted of molesting underage girls. Your name and reputation are sullied. Your friends look at you suspiciously.

Pretty nasty huh? Think about the Duke Lacrosse team. Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, and many others.

The evidence is mounting that these accusations are a political hit job. I'm a little surprised you, with your forensics background, were so quick to tag him a pig and a creep.

There is a process for this. It is called "the rubber room". Teachers accused go to this room, punch in at 8, punch out at 3. There they wait until their case is heard. Also, I would not rack up legal bills, I am a member of a union and legal defense is provided by lawyers fully experienced and versed in this kind of thing. If they did "plaster my picture" in the news then I would also have a very good case for slander and libel should I win my case.

This would certainly cost me at least 1 year. But during that time I am paid and accrue other benefits as well. If my colleagues were demanding that I be fired I would be outraged and would no longer work at that school. Most likely choosing to retire once this was all over. Provided I was exonerated I would get a full pension and then could begin working at a number of other options for teachers while at the same time receiving my pension.

I would not be required to prove anything more than I am not guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt". However, if my name and reputation were sullied and it was tough to get one of the many other jobs available that would add more fuel to the lawsuit for libel and defamation.

Because of the potential liability schools try to keep these charges as quiet as possible while they go through the due process. However, what is fair game is if the girls went to the police and the police felt there was enough evidence to arrest the teacher. The newspaper and media are free to publish the fact that someone was arrested, etc. However, if a Grand Jury determines there is not enough evidence to indict then the police and newspaper could be liable and would likely settle rather than go to court. This is why I don't feel sorry for the Duke Lacrosse team, check out the settlement that Rolling Stone magazine had to pay, not to mention the rights to the story and movie.

Also, as it pertains to this case there are 40 other teachers in my school who work closely with for many years. They could testify whether or not they observed any behavior that would support the girls testimony or refute it. Likewise, there is a record of every girl I ever taught since my class rosters are a matter of public record. Therefore the Defense or Prosecution could track down and see if any of the other girls also observed this behavior. If I had 20 students and teachers claiming these charges are BS the girls would be completely shamed. On the other hand if all the other teachers said that "this teacher liked to hang out with the girls" and the teacher's students said the same, then that would certainly not help this teacher's case.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

There is a process for this. It is called "the rubber room". Teachers accused go to this room, punch in at 8, punch out at 3. There they wait until their case is heard. Also, I would not rack up legal bills, I am a member of a union and legal defense is provided by lawyers fully experienced and versed in this kind of thing. If they did "plaster my picture" in the news then I would also have a very good case for slander and libel should I win my case.

This would certainly cost me at least 1 year. But during that time I am paid and accrue other benefits as well. If my colleagues were demanding that I be fired I would be outraged and would no longer work at that school. Most likely choosing to retire once this was all over. Provided I was exonerated I would get a full pension and then could begin working at a number of other options for teachers while at the same time receiving my pension.

How nice. Most of America does not enjoy such benefits.

I guess you can just go ahead calling him a creep then.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

How nice. Most of America does not enjoy such benefits.

I guess you can just go ahead calling him a creep then.

This is why we have unions, so that the threat of frivolous lawsuit or abusive principals doesn't destroy many innocent careers. I pay a monthly fee for this, just like paying for insurance.

Recently we began to be rated by our students results on exams. I love this because the politics of bad principals can no longer threaten you.

If his claim that this is completely false is true then he has a very good case for a lawsuit. If he pursues it he can clear his name, just as the Duke Lacrosse team. If he doesn't then yes, I'll continue calling him a creep.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

This is why we have unions, so that the threat of frivolous lawsuit or abusive principals doesn't destroy many innocent careers. I pay a monthly fee for this, just like paying for insurance.

Recently we began to be rated by our students results on exams. I love this because the politics of bad principals can no longer threaten you.

If his claim that this is completely false is true then he has a very good case for a lawsuit. If he pursues it he can clear his name, just as the Duke Lacrosse team. If he doesn't then yes, I'll continue calling him a creep.

[Engineers don't have unions. Neither do lawyers.]

But Moore is a Christian, so what if he is convicted by I Cor 6 not to sue these women? And if he won, would he really clear his name?

Damned if he does, damned if he don't. Always a creep eh?

OK, perhaps I'm finished with this topic.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

[Engineers don't have unions. Neither do lawyers.]

But Moore is a Christian, so what if he is convicted by I Cor 6 not to sue these women? And if he won, would he really clear his name?

Damned if he does, damned if he don't. Always a creep eh?

OK, perhaps I'm finished with this topic.

If he proved that the signature on the yearbook was forged (something that could be done definitively) it would prove beyond any reasonable doubt that this was a political attack based on lies. Those that do this would be exposed and it would go a long way to helping others that might be attacked in the future. The lawsuit could be funded and carried out by the Republican party so that he wouldn't have to pay or spend that much time with it. However, no one would believe that this was conceived of and carried out by the alleged victim. You convict the democratic campaign and they will pay millions to the Republican party and be forever disgraced in Alabama.

There is no reason not to go through with that unless he knows it isn't a fraud.