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[Ohio]

You completely sidestepped my point -- that Obama era policies have handcuffed the police rather than criminals.

Today in democratically controlled major cities, illegal aliens have more roghts that native born American citizens.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You completely sidestepped my point -- that Obama era policies have handcuffed the police rather than criminals.

Today in democratically controlled major cities, illegal aliens have more roghts that native born American citizens.

Your article was about petty crimes, not machine guns mowing down 17 kids. There isn't anyone anywhere who is suggesting the cops shouldn't have moved in as quickly as possible.

That said without a bullet proof vest and a similar gun the cops at the school were completely outgunned by the kid with the machine gun. This is not my opinion, I am simply repeating what highly trained special forces have said publicly about this particular gun and this incident.

My point is that when I grew up cops treated me the way minorities are now asking to be treated. It seems very Biblical to treat others the way you want to be treated.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Your article was about petty crimes, not machine guns mowing down 17 kids. There isn't anyone anywhere who is suggesting the cops shouldn't have moved in as quickly as possible.

That said without a bullet proof vest and a similar gun the cops at the school were completely outgunned by the kid with the machine gun. This is not my opinion, I am simply repeating what highly trained special forces have said publicly about this particular gun and this incident.

My point is that when I grew up cops treated me the way minorities are now asking to be treated. It seems very Biblical to treat others the way you want to be treated.

Who had a machine gun? Only police have automatic weapons.

There were 4 Broward county deputies who were told NOT to go into the school building and engage the shooter because they did not have body cams. Doesn't that refute your point?

I disagree that 4 trained law enforcement officers with automatic handguns at short range are outgunned by kid with a semi-automatic rifle. That is hogwash. Four trained officers with automatic sidearms could easily disarm an untrained kid with a rifle. These cops had stand down orders just like in Benghazi.

Since Columbine the rules of engagement have all changed. No longer do the police take up defensive positions as they did in Florida shooting. They must engage the shooter -- immediately -- even if vastly outgunned, in order to protect the defenseless while buying just a few precious minutes while backup arrives.

There's just a whole lot of bogus misinformation surrounding your minority claims of mistreatment.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Who had a machine gun? Only police have automatic weapons.

Have bump stocks been made illegal? It may be that certain police have automatic weapons, but the cops at this school didn't. Also, I have heard them talk about teachers who have permits for conceal carry to be encouraged to do that while teaching. You cannot conceal carry an AR15. Are we now talking about giving every school in this country AR15's? If the NRA is calling for school's to be the most hardened sites and at the same time refusing to support a ban on assault weapons then how else can we accomplish that?

Originally Posted by Ohio

There were 4 Broward county deputies who were told NOT to go into the school building and engage the shooter because they did not have body cams. Doesn't that refute your point?

I told you up front it wasn't my point. This is what a highly trained special ops soldier familiar with the AR15 said. Read my post, I was simply quoting what an expert said. By the way he is a member of the NRA and a republican.

Originally Posted by Ohio

I disagree that 4 trained law enforcement officers with automatic handguns at short range are outgunned by kid with a semi-automatic rifle. That is hogwash. Four trained officers with automatic sidearms could easily disarm an untrained kid with a rifle. These cops had stand down orders just like in Benghazi.

Since Columbine the rules of engagement have all changed. No longer do the police take up defensive positions as they did in Florida shooting. They must engage the shooter -- immediately -- even if vastly outgunned, in order to protect the defenseless while buying just a few precious minutes while backup arrives.

There's just a whole lot of bogus misinformation surrounding your minority claims of mistreatment.

Once again, I was repeating what an expert in this topic was saying. This isn't a rambo movie.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

You completely sidestepped my point -- that Obama era policies have handcuffed the police rather than criminals.

Today in democratically controlled major cities, illegal aliens have more rights that native born American citizens.

Your right-wing hack opinionist used a favorite target of bigots as Red Herring to distract form the fact that the Valentine's day massacre occurred in Florida where Republican leaders have long been in lockstep with the NRA.

NRA lobbyist Marion Hammer has written every piece of gun legislation here for 30 years. Under Hammer's control Florida has led the way in putting guns in everybody's hands. Florida has issued around 1.8 million concealed-carry permits, by far the most in the country.

Florida is often the first place the N.R.A. pursues specific gun rights protections relying on Hammer and her supporters to set a precedent that can then be exported to other states. Since 1998, Republicans have had total control over Florida’s legislature. In that time, the state has enacted some thirty of Hammer’s bills.

This was the state where the NRA pioneered their "Stand Your Ground" law which makes a person’s subjective feelings of fear grounds to shoot someone even if there are other options available.

Florida law prohibits localities from regulating firearms, other than with regards to zoning laws. Governor Rick Scott can remove any local official who enacts a local gun law from office.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Your right-wing hack opinionist used a favorite target of bigots as Red Herring to distract form the fact that the Valentine's day massacre occurred in Florida where Republican leaders have long been in lockstep with the NRA.

NRA lobbyist Marion Hammer has written every piece of gun legislation here for 30 years. Under Hammer's control Florida has led the way in putting guns in everybody's hands. Florida has issued around 1.8 million concealed-carry permits, by far the most in the country.

Florida is often the first place the N.R.A. pursues specific gun rights protections relying on Hammer and her supporters to set a precedent that can then be exported to other states. Since 1998, Republicans have had total control over Florida’s legislature. In that time, the state has enacted some thirty of Hammer’s bills.

This was the state where the NRA pioneered their "Stand Your Ground" law which makes a person’s subjective feelings of fear grounds to shoot someone even if there are other options available.

Florida law prohibits localities from regulating firearms, other than with regards to zoning laws. Governor Rick Scott can remove any local official who enacts a local gun law from office.

Oops, sorry, but I did not know that Nikolas Cruz was a member of the NRA.

Apparently Florida law makes Broward County and the FBI all inept and cowardly too!

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Oops, sorry, but I did not know that Nikolas Cruz was a member of the NRA.

Florida law applies to all Floridians not just NRA members. According to Florida law Cruz had the right to make threats and the right to carry an assault rifle. So, even though the authorities knew all about his murderous intent, there was nothing they could lawfully do to stop him. Florida legislators are considering whether they should make changes to the law now to prevent this from happening here again. Stay tuned.

Originally Posted by Ohio

Apparently Florida law makes Broward County and the FBI all inept and cowardly too!

That's a malicious lie. A geography teacher and a football coach died saving students according to survivors.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Florida law applies to all Floridians not just NRA members. According to Florida law Cruz had the right to make threats and the right to carry an assault rifle. So, even though the authorities knew all about his murderous intent, there was nothing they could lawfully do to stop him. Florida legislators are considering whether they should make changes to the law now to prevent this from happening here again. Stay tuned.

That's a malicious lie. A geography teacher and a football coach died saving students according to survivors.

Malicious lie?

Then please explain to me why we now have reports of 4 Broward County deputies refusing to enter the school because they had no body cams?

You have also confirmed Trump's claims that the brave ones are the teachers, and where possible, they should be armed, and not the cowards on Sheriff Israel's force.

Fire the Sheriff without pay! No pension either!

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Malicious lie?

Then please explain to me why we now have reports of 4 Broward County deputies refusing to enter the school because they had no body cams?

You have also confirmed Trump's claims that the brave ones are the teachers, and where possible, they should be armed, and not the cowards on Sheriff Israel's force.

Fire the Sheriff without pay! No pension either!

The survivors have spoken out in support of the sheriff.

I'm with the survivors. They are the face of change ... finally.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

The survivors have spoken out in support of the sheriff.

I'm with the survivors. They are the face of change ... finally.

These vulnerable young students should have been protected, instead CNN has exploited most of them.

[zeek]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Malicious lie?

Then please explain to me why we now have reports of 4 Broward County deputies refusing to enter the school because they had no body cams?

You have also confirmed Trump's claims that the brave ones are the teachers, and where possible, they should be armed, and not the cowards on Sheriff Israel's force.

Fire the Sheriff without pay! No pension either!

Easy for you to say. You overgeneralized by condemning "Broward" as cowards. You forgot about the Broward heroes.

And you rushed to judgment. Why the blame game? It's still being sorted out down here.

Right-wing Florida politicians like Governor Rick Scott are showing greater willingness to look at the facts than you. They're considering solutions they would have rejected out of hand 13 days ago.

The Florida legislature was going to vote on an "open carry" law on the Friday February 16 that was taken off the table the day after the Douglas High shooting. Who knows, they may finally do something that works

This reminds me of your reaction to the Mueller investigation. You seem to be in a big hurry to wrap up another complex problem in simplistic bow.

I've wept for the children who died and the ones that survived. I marched at the capital in solidarity with them. They're remarkable kids who's lives are now being threatened by haters.

I'm hoping against hope that we are going to finally turn a corner on the violence that is destroying America. But, if we do, it won't be simple or easy.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

Easy for you to say. You overgeneralized by condemning "Broward" as cowards. You forgot about the Broward heroes.

Obviously my posts pointed at those armed deputies and their commanders who did nothing to protect these school children. If Scott Peterson was a hero, he would not have been fired.

And you rushed to judgment. Why the blame game? It's still being sorted out down here.
With such a reasoned response here, you really should be working at CNN or MSNBC. They have called Trump, every NRA member, every Republican, and all conservatives "murderers." Sound like a national blame game to me.

Right-wing Florida politicians like Governor Rick Scott are showing greater willingness to look at the facts than you. They're considering solutions they would have rejected out of hand 13 days ago.
Show me one thing I have said here not based on facts. Perhaps your problem is that you have not heard any facts on CNN for years.

The Florida legislature was going to vote on an "open carry" law on the Friday February 16 that was taken off the table the day after the Douglas High shooting. Who knows, they may finally do something that works.
I'm all for state laws. I believe in representative legislature for our republic.

This reminds me of your reaction to the Mueller investigation. You seem to be in a big hurry to wrap up another complex problem in simplistic bow.
Big hurry? It's been 16 months since I first heard about the Trump election collusion. How much time does Muller need? So far, he found nothing. Flynn busted for a process crime? Manafort and Gates busted for tax evasion years ago? WHERE"S THE D**N COLLUSION?

Meanwhile House Republicans have unearthed a mountain of corruption between the Democrats and the Russians. Comey is dirty. Strzok and Page are dirty. Bruce Ohr and his wife are dirty. McCabe is dirty. The list is growing daily.

I've wept for the children who died and the ones that survived. I marched at the capital in solidarity with them. They're remarkable kids who's lives are now being threatened by haters.
We are all crying for them, but the reason their lives were in danger are threefold:

• Obama-era “no-arrest policy” guideline for school discipline
• Total breakdown at the FBI
• Cowardice by Broward county deputies

I'm hoping against hope that we are going to finally turn a corner on the violence that is destroying America. But, if we do, it won't be simple or easy.
We need to start with our current Godless culture. God has been removed from schools, abortion is available on demand, breakdown of families, availability of drugs, violent video games and movies, etc.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Oops, sorry, but I did not know that Nikolas Cruz was a member of the NRA.

Florida shooter had 180 rounds left in his AR-15 when he stopped firing and had carved Swastikas into the sides of the leftover ammunition magazines
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...unds-left.html

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Florida shooter had 180 rounds left in his AR-15 when he stopped firing and had carved Swastikas into the sides of the leftover ammunition magazines
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...unds-left.html

Obviously he did not stop shooting because he ran out of bullets or victims.

Perhaps it was our Heavenly Father who decided to step in and end the carnage.

[zeek]

At the Ronald Reagan dinner, CPAC communications director Ian Walters said Steele was elected RNC chair "because he's a black guy."

"We were somewhat lost as a group, we had just elected the first African-American president, and that was a big deal and that was a hill that we got over and it was something that we were all proud of and we weren't sure what to do, and in a little bit of cynicism what did we do? This is a terrible thing. We elected Mike Steele to be the RNC chair because he's a black guy, that was the wrong thing to do, Walters said.

Looks like a black American cannot expect to get elected to anything in the Republican Party any time soon. White Supremacists take heart.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by zeek

At the Ronald Reagan dinner, CPAC communications director Ian Walters said Steele was elected RNC chair "because he's a black guy."

"We were somewhat lost as a group, we had just elected the first African-American president, and that was a big deal and that was a hill that we got over and it was something that we were all proud of and we weren't sure what to do, and in a little bit of cynicism what did we do? This is a terrible thing. We elected Mike Steele to be the RNC chair because he's a black guy, that was the wrong thing to do, Walters said.

Looks like a black American cannot expect to get elected to anything in the Republican Party any time soon. White Supremacists take heart.

Looks like he got busted by the PC Police.

Good thing they only patrol Republican establishments!