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[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

I know the history.

That's doubtful.

If you knew the history of the liberal progressive movement in the US, and it's key players, you would have no part of it.

[Ohio]

Trump's approval went up? Whassup with that?

The Media has been predicting the end of the world for more than a year!

They have become the outreach arm of the worst fundamental religious fanatics -- the evil cult of progressivism -- with their High Priest Obama, who wants to clone himself with millions more, and their High Priestess Crooked Hilary herself.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Trump's approval went up? Whassup with that?

The Media has been predicting the end of the world for more than a year!

They have become the outreach arm of the worst fundamental religious fanatics -- the evil cult of progressivism -- with their High Priest Obama, who wants to clone himself with millions more, and their High Priestess Crooked Hilary herself.

Both you and Awareness need to realize that demonizing your opponent is not a way to reconcile the country.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Both you and Awareness need to realize that demonizing your opponent is not a way to reconcile the country.

Wait a minute.

Several of you have been piling on me for years. Now you decide to step back and reprimand two of us for what you do too?

Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Wait a minute.

Several of you have been piling on me for years. Now you decide to step back and reprimand two of us for what you do too?

Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

Is this a step up for me? I'm usually grouped with zeek. But why would ZNP put you down like that? You, who won't bow to your high priest Obama. But who kisses the ring of pontif Trump

Thanks for the laughs bro Ohio. And you too ZNP.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Is this a step up for me? I'm usually grouped with zeek. But why would ZNP put you down like that? You, who won't bow to your high priest Obama. But who kisses the ring of pontif Trump

Thanks for the laughs bro Ohio. And you too ZNP.

It's not me who obsesses over Trump, but you.

It's called Trump Derangement Syndrome.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

It's not me who obsesses over Trump, but you.

It's called Trump Derangement Syndrome.

TDS ... you're a hoot Ohio. What about ODS?

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

It's not me who obsesses over Trump, but you.

It's called Trump Derangement Syndrome.

rotflmao ... good one bro Ohio.

But really, my obsession, if I have one, has more to do with Trump being all over in the news, in Late Night shows, the comedy shows. Trump is every where I look. Can't avoid him. Everyone is talking about him. Even out here. Your even obsessed with Trump.

As I see Trump, I clearly see a giant ego, that thrives on attention. So the worst thing that could happen to Trump, that would really get to him, and get deeply under his skin, would be for everyone to stop talking about him. Then Trump would prolly become deranged ... if he isn't already,,,

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

Wait a minute.

Several of you have been piling on me for years. Now you decide to step back and reprimand two of us for what you do too?

Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

Who have I demonized?

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Who have I demonized?

I said reprimand.

Piling on me for deciding not to hate Trump like the rest of the folks here.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I said reprimand.

Piling on me for deciding not to hate Trump like the rest of the folks here.

I don't have any issue with you "not hating Trump".

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

That's doubtful.

If you knew the history of the liberal progressive movement in the US, and it's key players, you would have no part of it.

I don't. Remember? I'm a mugwump.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

I don't. Remember? I'm a mugwump.

But you caucus with the progressives.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

But you caucus with the progressives.

Hogwash. I caucus with no one. Sure I don't caucus with Fox, like you. But neither do I caucus with MSNBC, or any other of the news stations. My main news source is Mail Online, and also Drudge Report. Other than that I comb the web, not aligning with left or right reports, but doing my best to see thru biases I find in all of them.

In other words, I caucus with none of them, like you do with your 'right' sources. So you accuse me of what you are doing. You are the one that caucuses. That's why you have to say I do.

I will admit tho. If being a Christian means being a Trump supporter, then I'm not a Christian. At least not that type. Cuz Trump represents no Christian values, no family values, and no Christian morals. Trump is bamboozling Christians.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

Hogwash. I caucus with no one. Sure I don't caucus with Fox, like you. But neither do I caucus with MSNBC, or any other of the news stations. My main news source is Mail Online, and also Drudge Report. Other than that I comb the web, not aligning with left or right reports, but doing my best to see thru biases I find in all of them.

In other words, I caucus with none of them, like you do with your 'right' sources. So you accuse me of what you are doing. You are the one that caucuses. That's why you have to say I do.

I will admit tho. If being a Christian means being a Trump supporter, then I'm not a Christian. At least not that type. Cuz Trump represents no Christian values, no family values, and no Christian morals. Trump is bamboozling Christians.

You say you have no attachment to progressives, yet your views are identical to theirs. You say that you also read conservative sources, yet your views reflect none of theirs.

Why do you worry about Christians so much? Why do you obsess about who they like or don't like? You are convinced that all Christians are fools anyway, so why do you care if they are deceived? Haven't you said repeatedly that Christians have been fooled by a book full of errors?

Freedom of speech means that we give others the right to believe things which we would consider both stupid and wrong. You seem to be unable to accept that.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

If being a Christian means being a Trump supporter, then I'm not a Christian.

Every time you and Zeek repeat this drivel you provide evidence for the "fake news".

1. The article that Zeek provided didn't say Christians support Trump. It didn't say Catholics, or Protestants, or even Evangelicals support Trump.

What it said is that a very strange group they refer to as "White Evangelicals" that adhere to a Christian Nationalist doctrine support Trump.

I have met with many Evangelical groups and they have always been very diverse with whites always being a minority or at the very least not a majority.

If you characterize the LRC as Evangelical then that would have been the whitest Evangelicals I ever met with, yet Chinese and Asians were the majority of that group (when viewed as a worldwide organization and not locally).

But in none of these groups was the US being a Christian Nation ever some kind of doctrine that we adhered to.

What is exceedingly clear is that they did not say that Christians support Trump because Protestants and Catholics and non white Evangelicals would be the lion share of that in the US.

Rather it is white nationalists that identify as Evangelical -- i.e. White supremacists, Brown Shirts, or Nazis. But instead of saying that KKK and Nazis support Trump they want to insinuate that Evangelical Christians support him. This narrative is a confirmation of what Ohio has been preaching about HC BO being the high priest and priestess of some anti Christians political movement.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ZNPaaneah

Every time you and Zeek repeat this drivel you provide evidence for the "fake news".

1. The article that Zeek provided didn't say Christians support Trump. It didn't say Catholics, or Protestants, or even Evangelicals support Trump.

What it said is that a very strange group they refer to as "White Evangelicals" that adhere to a Christian Nationalist doctrine support Trump.

I have met with many Evangelical groups and they have always been very diverse with whites always being a minority or at the very least not a majority.

If you characterize the LRC as Evangelical then that would have been the whitest Evangelicals I ever met with, yet Chinese and Asians were the majority of that group (when viewed as a worldwide organization and not locally).

But in none of these groups was the US being a Christian Nation ever some kind of doctrine that we adhered to.

What is exceedingly clear is that they did not say that Christians support Trump because Protestants and Catholics and non white Evangelicals would be the lion share of that in the US.

Rather it is white nationalists that identify as Evangelical -- i.e. White supremacists, Brown Shirts, or Nazis. But instead of saying that KKK and Nazis support Trump they want to insinuate that Evangelical Christians support him. This narrative is a confirmation of what Ohio has been preaching about HC BO being the high priest and priestess of some anti Christians political movement.

Brother ZNP, your experience is limited. And obviously you haven't been keeping up with Evangelicals and their support of Trump.

If I were you, I'd drop your defensiveness, and start with David Barton of The Wallbuilders. Then I'd look into Franklin Graham III, and Jerry Falwell Jr.. Cuz it's well known that over 80% of Evangelicals voted for Trump.

I get it. You're in the minority, and are shamed by that fact. That's why you are so defensive. If I considered myself to be a Evangelical I'd be defensive too. Thank God I'm not. Sorry for you. They're giving you a bad name.

[ZNPaaneah]

Originally Posted by awareness

Brother ZNP, your experience is limited. And obviously you haven't been keeping up with Evangelicals and their support of Trump.

If I were you, I'd drop your defensiveness, and start with David Barton of The Wallbuilders. Then I'd look into Franklin Graham III, and Jerry Falwell Jr.. Cuz it's well known that over 80% of Evangelicals voted for Trump.

I get it. You're in the minority, and are shamed by that fact. That's why you are so defensive. If I considered myself to be a Evangelical I'd be defensive too. Thank God I'm not. Sorry for you. They're giving you a bad name.

http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/

70% of Americans identify as Christian

Approximately 1/3 of those who identify as Christian identify as Evangelical.

Approximately 1/5th of these Evangelical Christians are white. (https://www.religionnews.com/2017/09...s-study-shows/)

That means 1/15th of Christians in the US identify as “White Evangelical”. However, the criteria is even more specific including this concept of the US being a “christian nation”. Therefore, I find it quite reasonable to suggest we are talking about less than 5% of Christians in the US. That may be a large number, but remember, only 78% of that number supports Trump, so then we are really talking about 4% of Christians in the US.

Yet you take that article to smear all Evangelicals and all Christians.

That is the definition of using statistics to lie. Sorry for you.

[awareness]

As an aside.

Trump is famous for giving nicknames. Well he's got one going around on Capital Hill. They're calling him Spanky.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

I don't. Remember? I'm a mugwump.

I was not sure what exactly this meant, so I looked it up.

Mugwump:

This archetypal American word derives from the Algonquian dialect of Native Americans in Massachusetts. In their language, it meant “war leader”. The Puritan missionary John Eliot used it in his translation of the Bible into their language in 1663 to convey the English words duke, officer and captain.

Mugwump was brought into English in the early nineteenth century as a humorous term for a boss, bigwig, grand panjandrum, or other person in authority, although often one of a minor and inconsequential sort. This example comes from a story in an 1867 issue of Atlantic Monthly: “I’ve got one of your gang in irons — the Great Mugwump himself, I reckon — strongly guarded by men armed to the teeth; so you just ride up here and surrender”.

It hit the big time in 1884, during the presidential election that set Grover Cleveland against the Republican James G Blaine. Some Republicans refused to support Blaine, changed sides, and the New York Sun labelled them little mugwumps. Almost overnight, the sense of the word changed to turncoat. Later, it came to mean a politician who either could not or would not make up his mind on some important issue, or who refused to take a stand when he was expected to do so. Hence the old joke that a mugwump is a person sitting on the fence, with his mug on one side and his wump on the other.

There is also a slangy sense — less known these days, I believe — of a person who has been persuaded by his possession of a minor official position into a sense of self-importance, often becoming obnoxious as a result.

So now I know:

• You're a native American war leader
• You think you're the "bigwig" boss of the forum
• You used to be a Republican, but changed sides, because you hate Cleveland, where I grew up
• You're actually a "turncoat" traitor
• You can't make up your mind on any issue
• You love to sit on fences, with mug on one side and wump on the other
• You let this moderator thing give you an exaggerated sense of self-importance

So now I know what a MUGWUMP is.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Ohio

I was not sure what exactly this meant, so I looked it up.

So now I know:

• You're a native American war leader
• You think you're the "bigwig" boss of the forum
• You used to be a Republican, but changed sides, because you hate Cleveland, where I grew up
• You're actually a "turncoat" traitor
• You can't make up your mind on any issue
• You love to sit on fences, with mug on one side and wump on the other
• You let this moderator thing give you an exaggerated sense of self-importance

So now I know what a MUGWUMP is.

rotflmao ... That was great bro Ohio. I'm still cracking up.

I didn't know all that. I picked it up from Mark Twain, that used it as a term for someone that didn't support either party. But all the rest is pretty cool too.

I love your projections bro Ohio ; even tho I don't always agree with them, as they offend don't fit, but it's obvious that you need them.

Thanks for all that, and the history lesson. You ARE a peach.

[Ohio]

Originally Posted by awareness

rotflmao ... That was great bro Ohio. I'm still cracking up.

I didn't know all that. I picked it up from Mark Twain, that used it as a term for someone that didn't support either party. But all the rest is pretty cool too.

Glad you enjoyed that.

So, do you still wanna be a Mugwump?

How about our beloved MOTA: Mugwump of the Age.