LGBTQ, in LC and Beyond.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ExChurchKid

I'm not sure if this thread ended up being closed or not, and I know I'm late to the party, but I just wanted to add this description of how "men lying with men" in the Bible might actually be a mis-translation of a Greek word (arsenokoitai) that can be more accurately translated "men lying with little boys". I.e., child molestation was an issue in Greek and Roman times, and the writers of the Bible felt it needed to be addressed.

https://um-insight.net/perspectives/...-in-the-bible/

That's an incredible link sis. Thanks. I sent to it a Southern Baptist cousin, that blew his Bible top when his son introduced his gay lover. He called his son an abomination to God, all because of the Bible.

[SerenityLives]

Originally Posted by awareness

That's an incredible link sis. Thanks. I sent to it a Southern Baptist cousin, that blew his Bible top when his son introduced his gay lover. He called his son an abomination to God, all because of the Bible.

I thought God got rid of abominations when He flooded the world. But I guess he/she missed some.

I've heard of that interpretation before. Bro Trapped hasn't been able to get around to respond to me about those mistranslations. But he did ask me about divine inspiration.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

I thought God got rid of abominations when He flooded the world. But I guess he/she missed some.

Sin was still in man and that only gets addressed effectively in Christ.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Sin was still in man and that only gets addressed effectively in Christ.

I don't get this 'sin in man.' I get that Adam and Eve sinned. But doesn't it violate our free will that we're imbued with it at birth? I chose against that.

It think it could be that it's easy to buy into from just observing our fellowmen, and the world out there.

But it's more likely explained, rather than by indwelling sin, that, we're just primates, acting like primates, and the sin of Adam has nothing to do with it, except that he and she were primates.

Maybe I'm missing something.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by awareness

I don't get this 'sin in man.' I get that Adam and Eve sinned. But doesn't it violate our free will that we're imbued with it at birth? I chose against that.

It think it could be that it's easy to buy into from just observing our fellowmen, and the world out there.

But it's more likely explained, rather than by indwelling sin, that, we're just primates, acting like primates, and the sin of Adam has nothing to do with it, except that he and she were primates.

Maybe I'm missing something.

Why did Christ come?

[ExChurchKid]

Originally Posted by Sons to Glory!

Why did Christ come?

Perhaps because God failed in his creation of us, so he had to send Christ down to fix his mess. That's one way to look at it, anyway.

[Sons to Glory!]

Originally Posted by ExChurchKid

Perhaps because God failed in his creation of us, so he had to send Christ down to fix his mess. That's one way to look at it, anyway.

Well, even if that's the case (made a mistake), Christ is still the "best show in town" in my book - Christ is the clearest picture we have of God.

[ExChurchKid]

Originally Posted by awareness

I don't get this 'sin in man.' I get that Adam and Eve sinned. But doesn't it violate our free will that we're imbued with it at birth? I chose against that.

I'm with you here. I didn't eat any forbidden fruit. Why do I suffer because of them? Also, it seems like God didn't really set them up for success in the first place. Why not just leave out the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Because of free will? So free will causes us to want knowledge and that causes sin? It seems like sin isn't so bad if God created us with a curious nature.

[awareness]

Originally Posted by SerenityLives

I thought God got rid of abominations when He flooded the world. But I guess he/she missed some.

I've heard of that interpretation before. Bro Trapped hasn't been able to get around to respond to me about those mistranslations. But he did ask me about divine inspiration.

Our little pea brains can't figure out God, or his inspirations, if they even happened or not. We just want to believe in inspiration, without any proof or evidence at all. Then we can use the Bible to clobber others.

[ExChurchKid]

Originally Posted by awareness

That's an incredible link sis. Thanks. I sent to it a Southern Baptist cousin, that blew his Bible top when his son introduced his gay lover. He called his son an abomination to God, all because of the Bible.

Lol I'm glad my internet research will help in the crusade to get people to not call other people abominations just because a (fallible) book written by (fallible) men and translated by (fallible) people says something questionable in like one or two places, and in like a million other places talks about love and acceptance and all that good stuff (but that can be conveniently ignored, apparently).

[awareness]

Originally Posted by ExChurchKid

Lol I'm glad my internet research will help in the crusade to get people to not call other people abominations just because a (fallible) book written by (fallible) men and translated by (fallible) people says something questionable in like one or two places, and in like a million other places talks about love and acceptance and all that good stuff (but that can be conveniently ignored, apparently).

Very well said XCK.